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otaking
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response 5 of 46:
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Oct 25 17:51 UTC 1999 |
Personally, I'd recommend either "Stop Making Sense" or "Sand in the
Vaseline". The latter is a "Best of..." album. Normally, I wouldn't recommend
those, since I prefer the original albums, but it has a lot of great tracks
on it.
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mcnally
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response 6 of 46:
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Oct 25 21:48 UTC 1999 |
No, no, no! Not "Sand in the Vaseline".. It omits so much *great* stuff
and presents the rest out of context, which really does change the way you
hear it.
My personal favorite album is "Remain in Light" but I could honestly
recommend starting with any of the albums up to (but not including)
True Stories.
They basically break down as follows:
Talking Heads 77 -- unpolished experimental pop. harsher sound.
not "punk" by a long stretch, but influenced by the New York scene
around whose periphery they floated..
More Songs About Buildings and Food -- great, quirky pop album
full of amusing songs about odd topics. sound is a little more
polished but still discernibly "early period"
Fear of Music -- big change for this album, as they team with producer
Brian Eno and begin experimenting with African rhythms. complex,
polyrhythmic, and highly memorable.
Remain in Light -- in my opinion, their masterwork. the same polrhythms
that appeared in "Fear of Music" but more fully developed. the first
half of the album is brilliant, high-energy, and infectiously funky.
the second half shifts pace considerably and has a whold different feel
to it -- unfortunately this separation worked a lot better when they
were different sides of an LP, but both halves are great.
Speaking in Tongues -- more polished, mature sound marks the band's
growing influence and popularity. source of the first (and biggest)
mainstream radio hit, "Burning Down the House". varies considerably
from eminently-dancable high-energy tracks like "Burning.." to
tender bits like "Naive Melody (This Must Be the Place)"
Little Creatures -- my second favorite after "Remain in Light"
very polished pop, substantially slicker than earlier releases, but
still featuring the quirky lyrics and complex rhythms that are the
band's trademark.
Stop Making Sense -- (chronologically comes before "Little Creatures",
I think..) Excellent live album from the four Los Angeles performances
that were filmed for the movie. Heavy on material from "Speaking In
Tongues" and "More Songs About Buildings and Food"
Related, and also highly recommended:
David Byrne -- "The Catherine Wheel" Byrne and choreographer Twyla
Tharp teamed to do a ballet (!) Although uncredited in the title,
Brian Eno and Adrian Belew's influences can be heard all throughout
this album as well.
David Byrne and Brian Eno -- "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts". Byrne
and Eno take found sound samples and set them to really funky music.
Works incredibly well..
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orinoco
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response 7 of 46:
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Oct 26 00:32 UTC 1999 |
(Yeah, I've got "Bush of Ghosts" and I love it, which is why I suspect I'd
like the Talking Heads too if I ever got around to buying an album)
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shinewee
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response 8 of 46:
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Oct 26 00:48 UTC 1999 |
"More Songs about Buildings and Food" is also Eno produced, by the way. The
three eno albums (I think) are the best intros to Talking Heads. How do you
all like solo Byrne, by the way?
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krj
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response 9 of 46:
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Oct 26 00:50 UTC 1999 |
I guess my question to orinoco would be: how many Talking Heads
albums are you considering buying? If the answer is just one or two,
then the SAND IN THE VASELINE compilation and maybe the new edition
of STOP MAKING SENSE would be my suggestion. But if you're willing
to spend a little more, I think would be fun to relive the band's
development by starting with MORE SONGS and proceeding chronologically
from there.
MORE SONGS, FEAR OF MUSIC, REMAIN IN LIGHT, and SPEAKING IN TONGUES
are all on my personal list of Greatest Albums. I don't rate
LITTLE CREATURES as high as Mike does.
I'll have to write more later, have to go now.... I did want to note
that the Eno connection starts with the second album, MORE SONGS.
My vague recollection is that MY LIFE IN THE BUSH OF GHOSTS was
contemporary with REMAIN IN LIGHT, so that might be another hook to
hang orinoco's choice on.
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krj
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response 10 of 46:
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Oct 26 00:51 UTC 1999 |
(8 slipped in... hi Justin, and welcome to the music conference!)
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raven
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response 11 of 46:
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Oct 26 06:17 UTC 1999 |
Yes i would recomend Remain in Light as Well. The world musicy second side has
some really erie songs on in and the first side is very funky, fun and
rhythmic.
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otaking
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response 12 of 46:
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Oct 26 15:44 UTC 1999 |
Re #6: Mike, you just summed up why I don't like "Best of..." collections,
but I still think "Sand in the Vaseline" is better than most.
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otaking
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response 13 of 46:
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Oct 26 15:46 UTC 1999 |
What side projects did the members of Talking Heads do? I'm already aware of
Byrne's solo work, the Tom Tom Club, and the Heads (band minus Byrne). Are
there any others?
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mcnally
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response 14 of 46:
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Oct 26 16:19 UTC 1999 |
Jerry Harrison's "Casual Gods"
[best left unmentioned, imho..]
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mcnally
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response 15 of 46:
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Oct 26 16:26 UTC 1999 |
As far as Byrne's post-Talking-Heads solo work goes, it varies quite
widely in quality (my opinion, at least..) I don't have much of it --
until recently [latest album, "Feelings"] he hadn't released a solo
record that I would have recommended.
I thought "Rei Momo" was awful (except for one or two tracks) and
what I remember from "Uh-Oh" was pretty dull. I liked the remix CD-single
that accompanied "The Forest", but wasn't big on "The Forest" itself.
As far as the Tom Tom Club stuff goes, I like the first album (just
called "Tom Tom Club", the one with "Genius of Love") and also enjoyed
"Dark Sneak Love Action". It's enjoyable fluff, nowhere near the
level of quality that the Talking Heads achieved as a band, but it's
interesting if only to show how important husband and wife Chris
Frantz and Tina Weymouth were to the band -- it seems to indicate
that their sense of fun and enjoyment of funky rhythms were important
counterbalances to Byrne's self-indulgence
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krj
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response 16 of 46:
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Oct 26 19:20 UTC 1999 |
Mike in resp:3 :: sorry for being misinformed about the various
TRUE STORIES discs. I never did get to see the movie.
Jerry Harrison's first solo album, from around the same time as everyone
else in the band was doing side projects, was THE RED AND THE BLACK.
I'd be surprised if it had ever been issued on CD. Harrison was also
in an early version of Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers, before
his days in Talking Heads.
I picked up the new 16-track CD of STOP MAKING SENSE last night.
To the best of my feeble recollection, it has all of the songs from
the movie. It have have all of the performances from the movie; if
so, the band introduction at the end of "Take Me To The River" was
edited out. I'm annoyed that what appears to be canned applause
has been bled over the beginning of each track; this wasn't there in
the 1984 edition.
I'm sure that the 1984 edition has a different recording of "Psycho Killer,"
a different one than used in the film. I don't think it's just variations
in editing.
Ah, I did a little web searching and found an interesting band site:
http://talking-heads.net/th_sms99.html
This says that "This Must Be The Place" will be issued as a single, with
the three extra tracks from the video as bonus tracks. Have to look for
that...
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krj
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Oct 26 19:29 UTC 1999 |
Even more: The Palm Pictures web site has a list of where STOP MAKING SENSE
will be playing.
East Lansing Film Society is on the list for November 5-7.
I can't imagine where they'll put it. More information as it becomes
available.
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arijitkm
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response 18 of 46:
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Oct 27 07:04 UTC 1999 |
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krj
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response 19 of 46:
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Oct 27 17:57 UTC 1999 |
I gave FEAR OF MUSIC a spin lately, having gotten a fresh copy of it.
Definitely not an album to start with. I'd hoped that a modern
American edition would sound better than the old German CD I
had, but I don't know if this worked out. There is an incredible
amount of loud high-energy signal in that album, and *something*
isn't handling it well.
It's an interesting mix of styles. "I Zimbra," the collaboration
with Fripp, pointed the main course for the next few albums with its
driving polyrhythmic percussion track. And the tracks I remember
most fondly from the album, such as "Paper," "Cities," "Heaven," and
"Air," are in the band's quirky pop-song style, maybe with the
intensity ratcheted up -- this is a very *tense* album.
After FEAR OF MUSIC, the pop style got laid aside until LITTLE CREATURES.
And a few tracks seem to lay out a path not followed: deliberate off-tuning
in "Memories Can't Wait," odd time signatures in "Animals" -- I vaguely
recall reading that "Animals" could not be played live by the band.
And then there's the slow dirge of "Drugs." There's a faster
arrangement of that song, usually billed as "Electricity," from the
live promo "Warner Bros. Music Show," which I much prefer.
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mcnally
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response 20 of 46:
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Oct 27 23:06 UTC 1999 |
I agree that it's not their most accessible album, but I believe it's
one of their best. I suppose I'd direct a neophyte to choose either of
the albums that bracketed it, though ("More Songs About Buildings and Food"
or "Remain in Light")
I dragged out my copy of "Sand in the Vaseline" to check out what had
and hadn't been included and it reaffirmed my opinion that although it's
a better cover of the band's career than any other single recording it
has some major flaws as a starting point. In my opinion:
1) the track selection isn't that good.. maybe I'm just bitter
because they left off my very favorite track, "The Great Curve",
but as far as I can tell they included no more than three tracks
from any single album and only two from "Remain in Light"..
I'm somewhat mystified by the inclusion of "Swamp" as one of the
three tracks from "Speaking In Tongues" -- I can think of several
more deserving choices.
2) the inclusion of the hard-to-find and never-previously-released
tracks makes the collection attractive to the completist but most
of them (out of seven or eight tracks) are definitely b-grade
material compared to the things that were left off to make room
for them.
Supposing that you can get two of the original albums for not much more
than the double-CD collection, I think that's the way to go..
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orinoco
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response 21 of 46:
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Oct 28 01:28 UTC 1999 |
<nods> Okay, thanks. Someday when I've got a few bucks sitting around....
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krj
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response 22 of 46:
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Nov 1 23:00 UTC 1999 |
I have the information about this weekend's showing of STOP MAKING SENSE
in East Lansing. The film is showing in one of the Wells Hall auditoriums
at 7 & 9:15 pm, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, November 5-7.
Unless Wells Hall soundsystems have been upgraded in the ten years since
I last saw a movie there, this won't compare to the Michigan Theatre
experience, but it is probably better than video.
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dbratman
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response 23 of 46:
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Nov 2 22:04 UTC 1999 |
Which was the early '80s David Byrne solo album with the spoken-word-
interspersed-with-brass-ensemble piece about the woman selecting her
power outfit for the day?
I haven't heard that thing in 15 years but it was absolutely
unforgettable.
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mcnally
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response 24 of 46:
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Nov 2 23:23 UTC 1999 |
Early 80s with a spoken word piece? Wow, that rings *no* bells whatsoever..
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krj
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response 25 of 46:
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Nov 2 23:34 UTC 1999 |
My guess would be "Music from The Knee Plays," which was for a
theatre piece, by, maybe, Robert Wilson the Philip Glass collaborator?
This was notable for introducing me to Bulgarian women singing,
because Byrne set one of the Bulgarian songs from the legendary,
then-lost album "Le Mystere Dex Voix Bulgares" to a brass ensemble.
I have a copy of this somewhere.
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happyboy
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response 26 of 46:
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Nov 3 00:03 UTC 1999 |
that's it...i was just lissening to THe Knee Plays
a cupple of months ago.
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orinoco
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response 27 of 46:
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Nov 7 08:11 UTC 1999 |
I got a tape of "Stop Making Sense" at a garage sale a while back, and finally
got around to giving it a good listen. I was more or less unimpressed by the
first side (with the slight exception of "Girlfriend is Better"), but I rather
liked the second side, especially "Once in a Lifetime" (which I'd heard
before, loved, and not realized I was listening to the Talking Heads) and
"Take Me To the River" (of which Annie Lennox's version now seems a lot less
original....). For what it's worth, I think I agree with McNally's low
opinion of "Swamp".
So between the song "Once in a Lifetime" and the reccomendations it's gotten
here, I guess I'll be putting "Remain In Light" on my to-buy list, although
the weirdnesses Ken mentions on "Fear of Music" sound awful tempting...
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goose
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response 28 of 46:
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Nov 7 16:07 UTC 1999 |
I can't remember if it was mentioned here, but "Take Me to The River" is
by Al Green and the original is very R&B.
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orinoco
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response 29 of 46:
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Nov 7 18:31 UTC 1999 |
Right; that was the version I knew originally. So when I heard Annie Lennox
do her Annie-Lennox-sounding version of it on "Medusa," I sort of though "oh,
who would have thought to do a pop version of that one?" And apparently, the
Talking Heads would have.
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