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katie
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response 5 of 80:
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Jul 5 06:17 UTC 1999 |
"No space left on device...file system is full."
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remmers
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response 6 of 80:
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Jul 23 19:13 UTC 1999 |
The Grex Board of Directors will meet this Monday, July 26, 7 p.m.
upstairs at Zingerman's Next Door, 422 Detroit Street, Ann Arbor. The
public is invited. See Item 112 in the Coop conference (item:coop,112)
for the agenda.
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jep
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response 7 of 80:
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Jul 28 16:33 UTC 1999 |
Grex may be shutting down as of Sunday, unless the lawsuit mentioned in
#2 results in a quick injunction. From the minutes of Monday's Board
meeting:
AGENDA ITEM 6: ACLU Suit
- A hearing was held in which the ACLU asked for a temporary
injunction.
If granted this would prevent Michigan's new Internet Censorship Act
(Michigan Public Act 33 of 1999) from going into effect on the
scheduled
date of August 1, 1999. Jan Wolter was called as a witness. John
Remmers, Steve Gibbard, Mark Conger, and STeve Andre attended. It
appears to have gone extremely well, and everyone is confident that
the injunction will be granted. The ruling will be announced before
August 1.
- There still needs to be a trial to determine the constitutionality
of
the law. This is likely to happen 6 to 9 months from now.
- Although we think it almost a certainty that the injunction will
be granted, the board felt it would be prudent to have a plan of
action in place in case it was not. Figuring out whether Grex can
continue to operate in any way under this law is going to be
extremely
difficult and will probably require getting legal advice on a number
of points. We don't want to go to the trouble of formulating this
plan unless we need it. Mary Remmers proposed that if this law
comes into force, Grex should temporarily shut down while a policy
is worked out. This lead to the following motion by Jan Wolter:
In the event that Michigan Public Act 33 of 1999 goes into
effect,
all public access to Grex shall be suspended, with the exception
of an informational web page, pending the formulation of new
policies.
Seconded by Dan Gryniewicz.
Passed 7-0-0.
Again, we do not think there is any large chance of this happening,
and
we think that it may be possible to bring at least a few services
(like Email) back on line pretty soon.
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senna
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response 8 of 80:
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Jul 28 17:52 UTC 1999 |
Will this shutdown permit email forwarding?
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jep
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response 9 of 80:
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Jul 28 18:52 UTC 1999 |
I don't know. There was very little advance discussion, and there is no
information available other than the minutes of the most recent Board
meeting.
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goose
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response 10 of 80:
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Jul 28 21:14 UTC 1999 |
I dunno, shutting down seems pretty drastic.
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mary
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response 11 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:27 UTC 1999 |
A partial shutdown is drastic but probably the
best choice of action until we can get some
good legal advice on where the board and users
would stand in terms of liablity should this law
go into effect.
This is being discussed in Co-op, items #114 and #113.
Check it out.
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remmers
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response 12 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:30 UTC 1999 |
Yes, it would be drastic. Also, I think it's unlikely to happen.
The possibility is being discussed in item 114 of Coop (item:coop,114).
I'm the board chair, so I posted a longish response there (#8) to attempt
to explain where the board is coming from.
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remmers
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response 13 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:30 UTC 1999 |
(Mary slipped in.)
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senna
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response 14 of 80:
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Jul 29 02:59 UTC 1999 |
Such an amusing slip :)
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remmers
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response 15 of 80:
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Jul 29 12:57 UTC 1999 |
(We're a 2-computer, 2-modem household, so these things happen...)
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remmers
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response 16 of 80:
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Jul 29 19:08 UTC 1999 |
I am HAPPY to announce that Judge Arthur J. Tarnow of the United States
District Court, Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division, has
GRANTED Grex's and other plaintiffs' request for an injunction
preventing enforcement of 1999 Public Act 33.
In plain language, that means we won. The internet censorship law will
not go into effect on August 1. There will be no disruption of Grex's
services.
I think we owe many thanks to the ACLU attorneys who developed and
presented the case, and the Grexers who put a lot of work into it,
especially Jan Wolter (our declarant and witness), Mark Conger (our
contact person with the ACLU), and Mary Remmers (our press contact).
The judge has issued a 30-page opinion, which I'll post online as soon
as possible.
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remmers
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response 17 of 80:
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Jul 29 19:40 UTC 1999 |
Temporarily, the judge's opinion is available from my personal
web directory, in Adobe PDF format. See
http://www.cyberspace.org/~remmers/opinion.pdf
Not everyone can view PDF files, so I'm looking into getting it
converted to something else, like plain text or HTML. I don't
seem to have software myself that will do this.
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jep
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response 18 of 80:
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Jul 29 20:11 UTC 1999 |
Thanks, John! Interesting document.
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ryan
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response 19 of 80:
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Jul 29 23:35 UTC 1999 |
This response has been erased.
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remmers
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response 20 of 80:
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Jul 30 01:01 UTC 1999 |
Well then we'd be faced with converting ps to html, which if anything is
harder. But you knew that. :)
I think someone is doing the conversion. Hopefully a link to the result
will find its way onto the Grex 'lawsuit' web page before too long.
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janc
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response 21 of 80:
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Jul 30 03:22 UTC 1999 |
An HTML version of the ruling is at
http://www.cyberspace.org/lawsuit/injunction.html
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rcurl
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response 22 of 80:
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Jul 30 06:11 UTC 1999 |
Congratulations to Grex - and all those that put in the effort on this
action - for a successful outcome.
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mary
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response 23 of 80:
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Jul 30 11:13 UTC 1999 |
Thanks, Jan. I'll let Mr. Steinberg know it's up.
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jiffer
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response 24 of 80:
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Jul 30 12:48 UTC 1999 |
the idle buster doesn't seem to be working...
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dang
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response 25 of 80:
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Jul 30 16:55 UTC 1999 |
I have a MS Word version of the opinion at
http://www.cyberspace.org/~dang/opinion.doc
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drew
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response 26 of 80:
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Jul 30 18:41 UTC 1999 |
Is it really necessary for 8 pages of mostly doublespaced text to take up 97K?
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eeyore
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response 27 of 80:
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Jul 31 19:02 UTC 1999 |
Out of curiosity, am I the only one having problems getting on with dial-in?
I've been dialing in, connecting, and then just hangig for 5-10 minutes
before I give up and try several hours later.
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dang
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response 28 of 80:
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Aug 3 22:02 UTC 1999 |
It is if you have all kinds of typesetting information involved. Think
of it as a stored picture, and you won't be too far off.
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eeyore
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response 29 of 80:
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Aug 6 04:44 UTC 1999 |
HUH?????
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