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gypsi
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response 5 of 71:
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Jul 3 09:02 UTC 1999 |
Unless it's the east area of London in the fall of 1888. ;-)
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bookworm
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response 6 of 71:
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Jul 6 20:06 UTC 1999 |
resp:4 Um..I *Like* being seen to the door.
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mary
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response 7 of 71:
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Jul 6 23:22 UTC 1999 |
Girls are "sent" places. Young, obedient girls.
Then, hopefully, they grow-up and they are no longer
"sent". It's a right of passage and maturity.
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beeswing
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response 8 of 71:
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Jul 7 14:36 UTC 1999 |
re #4... I also felt safe in Prague. It seems that no one will approach
you, not even homeless people. I don't think I would have walked alone
anyplace at night, but that was also due to being in unfamiliar
territory.
Disadvantages. Hmmm. It is annoying to pee sitting down, especially in a
public restroom.
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swa
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response 9 of 71:
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Aug 28 21:20 UTC 1999 |
The peeing thing never bothered me much, but I was still delighted to hear
of this woman who invented a contraption that allows women to pee standing
up. Check out this month's _Utne Reader_.
I'll second the menstruation thing. And not feeling safe, although that's
becoming more universal -- several of my male friends report that they
don't walk places alone at night for fear of being beaten up and robbed.
I don't like being leered at or whistled at, either.
Still, all things considered I think I enjoy being a girl. :)
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gypsi
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response 10 of 71:
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Aug 30 06:42 UTC 1999 |
A contraption that allows women to pee standing up? I can't imagine
this... Well, I can, but it involves a cather-like device. Yowch.
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beeswing
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response 11 of 71:
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Aug 30 15:45 UTC 1999 |
I think I saw this on TV. Not a catheter. Like a big folding
funnel/reservoir thing. Not sure what they are made of. Is in a wide
V-shape, you open it up and place it right where the urine is coming
out. It channels it down like a spout or something.
But that brings up aiming issues, and I would be worried about
leakage/spilling from the sides. I'll just sit. It's all I've known. :)
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md
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response 12 of 71:
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Aug 30 17:59 UTC 1999 |
What do you do with it after you're done?
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keesan
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response 13 of 71:
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Aug 30 21:24 UTC 1999 |
A cup also works, if properly placed, but requires undressing. I cannot
imagine any device that would allow a woman to pee without undressing at least
part way. You empty the cup after you are done with it. It can be used
standing.
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orinoco
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response 14 of 71:
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Sep 1 22:04 UTC 1999 |
I remember reading an article about the device-to-let-women-pee-standing-up
when it was first being hyped, and thinking "what's the big deal" -- I always
assumed the real issue was needing to undress, rather than just undoing a
zipper.
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swa
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response 15 of 71:
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Sep 4 20:59 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, the thing I read about was a funnel/spout type thing. Personally I'm
not interested, but it was an interesting article -- the woman who invented
it has some sort of health problem, rheumatism or something, that makes
sitting on a toilet or squatting painful. She pointed out that the device
makes it easier for women to pee outside -- camping etc. -- and, if
feeling juvenile, to try to write their names in pee, etc. This amused
me. I guess I'm juvenile, but it did.
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mary
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response 16 of 71:
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Sep 4 23:59 UTC 1999 |
There would be situations where this would be a good device.
Lots of post-op patients would find something like this
helpful. But I'd not want to see anything that required
contact installed in public bathrooms.
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keesan
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response 17 of 71:
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Sep 5 02:01 UTC 1999 |
I wonder if men have an easier time finding clothing to fit than do women,
as there is probably more variability in the shape of women's torsos.
Do short men have trouble finding sleeves to fit? I know tall women do.
Why do women's clothes come in regular and petite, mens' in reg and tall?
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orinoco
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response 18 of 71:
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Sep 5 17:09 UTC 1999 |
I do have trouble finding sleeves to fit, since I have long arms and a short
torso, and I'm pretty skinny. But the unusually-proportioned women I know
seem to have a much harder time clothes-shopping than I do.
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aaron
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response 19 of 71:
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Sep 12 13:55 UTC 1999 |
I read an interesting article about a man who, for years, bought suits
at retailers, and could never find a good fit. When he was finally
inspired to go to a better suit shop, the tailor expressed that it was
no surprise that he was hard to fit -- he was "short waisted." The suit
trousers were cut down to an appropiate size, and for once he had a suit
that fit.
You shouldn't have a problem, as a man, fitting a dress shirt, as you
purchase by neck size, chest size, sleeve length, and regular or sport
fit (i.e., big waist or small waist). Sometimes, you have to special
order, and it would be nice if there were other waist options without
going "custom," but I have no problem buying shirts. Some men have
problems buying suits, as the drop between suit coat and trousers is
typically eight inches -- if you aren't proportioned as expected, you
can have trouble buying "off the rack." There are options where you
buy a suit coat and trousers separately, but they tend to be available
only for less expensive suits. I feel fortunate, being able to buy "off
the rack" with a waist reduction and minor jacket adjustments. But we
have all seen people who look like crap in expensive suits -- they would
benefit from a good tailor, fixing the differences between the usual
body structure and their unusual builds.
There are men's clothes in "short" and "big" -- I don't think women would
go for either label. Although perhaps shopping at a "Big and Tall" shop
carries fewer negative associations than shopping at a "Dress Barn". ;)
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keesan
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response 20 of 71:
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Sep 12 14:06 UTC 1999 |
Women's shirts do not usually come in more than one sleeve length (two if you
hunt hard), or a choice of neck size. S-M-L-XL and sometimes petite or tall.
According to Land's End Catalog I take size 4, 12 or 16 depending what you
measure. A choice of sleeve lengths would help a lot. What do other women
do when the sleeves are the wrong length? I just put up with very baggy
shirts rather than sleeves 2-3 inches too short.
Women's 1x-2x-3x seems to correspond to 'big'. Wider but not longer. I have
never found an equivalent for thin women (narrower but not shorter).
Another problem with women's clothing is that it tends to be more decorative
and less practical - less durable, more confining, etc. But I assume that
there are men who wish more clothing was available for men that was more
decorative. Women do have a larger range of choices in clothing styles as
it is considered cute for women to wear men's styles. But not vice versa.
And they can also simply wear men's clothing (which is how I get the sleeves
long enough). Jim has some elastic-waist women's shorts and pants that he
likes, as men's waists are generally baggy on him (42-32-38 or so).
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aaron
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response 21 of 71:
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Sep 19 17:08 UTC 1999 |
Women's clothing may well be more decorative than long-lasting, but women
have a lot more flexibility in what they can wear to "dress up," and their
clothes tend to be less expensive. I am not sure that the quality of
less expensive women's clothing is any less than the quality of a $99 suit,
but I have yet to see a $99 suit that looks good.
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scott
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response 22 of 71:
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Sep 19 18:04 UTC 1999 |
But men generally only need own a small number of suits, while women seem to
need more dresses which can't be sufficiently accessorized as to look
different. Men can just change shirts and ties, which are cheap.
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aaron
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response 23 of 71:
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Sep 19 18:57 UTC 1999 |
Why do women need a lot of dresses? Social expectation?
Women don't seem to wear dresses that often, these days.
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keesan
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response 24 of 71:
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Sep 20 02:06 UTC 1999 |
What are women required to wear to office jobs? Are they still expected to
wear a different outfit every day of the week (month)? I think women are
still expected to be more decorative than men, which is a problem for women
who are not interested in being decorative and for men who are.
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gypsi
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response 25 of 71:
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Sep 20 02:59 UTC 1999 |
Some offices have gone to "business casual", which means dress pants, blouses,
skirts, dresses for women (as opposed to a business suit or more tailored
dress) and dress pants, golf shirts, shirt-minus-tie for men (as opposed toa
suit or shirt and tie).
Women need different dresses for different occassions. A dress I wear to
work, for example, may be too business-like for a wedding. Also, it's just
the feeling of variety. I like to know that I have six or seven nice things
for work, a couple of dresses for weddings or dinner at a nice restaurant,
then there is the infamous "black dress" for cocktail parties, formal
functions (like university dinners), and dinner/dances held at clubs.
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beeswing
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response 26 of 71:
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Sep 23 03:40 UTC 1999 |
Women's clothes are MORE expensive, I think. Totally. Men's stuff also
seems to be made better and hold up longer.
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gypsi
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response 27 of 71:
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Sep 23 09:58 UTC 1999 |
Mmmm...I don't know about that. I've seen some pretty expensive suits. I
think the reason men's stuff holds up longer is because we seem to wear satin,
silk, rayon, and nylon, whereas men's clothing is cotton/poly blends
(typically).
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orinoco
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response 28 of 71:
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Sep 24 00:25 UTC 1999 |
And men's clothing tends to be thicker fabric in more layers.
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keesan
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response 29 of 71:
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Sep 24 16:37 UTC 1999 |
Do men's fashions change more slowly and therefore have to hold up longer?
Or are women simply expected to wear any one item less often?
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