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slynne
response 49 of 205: Mark Unseen   May 2 17:29 UTC 2002

mmmm. Maybe it was September. I remember that my friend Shannon and her 
family picked a lot of them and her daughter really liked them. 
Normally they live in California. They were at my house in early August 
but they were also staying with me again during the middle two weeks of 
September so maybe I just have my times mixed up. 


gelinas
response 50 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 02:21 UTC 2002

Reading this item all at once, I'm struck by the difference four years
make, comparing #6 and #29.  So has the pendulum swung back?
cmcgee
response 51 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 04:45 UTC 2002

me, i like 31
mary
response 52 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 12:08 UTC 2002

Oh, my, things have changed.

I seldom use the food processor anymore.  The bread machine
went in the great garage sale of 2000 (after a switch to a
lower carbohydrate diet).  The immersion blender has moved
up a few notches as I've started making more soups.  The
Foreman grill has come on the scene and proved very useful.
The big mixer gets hauled out for big production dinners
and is still very helpful so it makes the cut.  And the 
unglamorous toaster does it's thing on a daily basis,
without much recognition.  (Mary makes a mental note
to thank the toaster.)

I think what would top my list at this point is a nice
sharp knife.  I guess this reflects the subtle shift to
more fresh, simply prepared foods in our diet.

mary
response 53 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 12:09 UTC 2002

s/its/it's  
gelinas
response 54 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 00:28 UTC 2002

Thank you, Mary.
i
response 55 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 02:17 UTC 2002

Follow-up question - does valerie now have an immersion blender?
:) 


I've still got (and use and need) the microwave & bread machine.
The sub-micro "food processer" (chopper) & small hand mixer are
stuffed away somewhere.  The folks got the nice toaster i never
used when their old one died.  I make little things in the oven
often enough to occasionally think about a toaster oven.  Recent
purchases have been of heat-proof rubber spatulas, iron fry pans,
a serving bowl, etc. - but i did buy one of those electronic
timer/thermometers with the long-enough-to-snake-into-the-roast-
in-the-oven probe.  I need a soft plastic cutting board for meat. 

Years of idle thoughts have not translated into a heavy-duty mixer
and the biggest lack is that my apartment lacks a dishwasher. 

I could stand to unload some of the dozen little juice glasses,
extra fry pans, etc. at a garage sale, Kiwanis, Treasure Mart, or
something.  
scott
response 56 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 03:03 UTC 2002

Let's see... I don't use the bread machine as much either, partially because
I don't need to make sandwiches for lunch everyday, and partially because I
don't eat as much carbs as I used to either.  Rice cooker is rarely used.
I probably make a loaf a bread a week, and it lasts 2-3 days.  Toaster gets
used on days 2 and 3 of that loaf.  ;)

What else?  The beer brewing stuff has seen a lot of use lately; I'm
presently sitting on about 5 cases of beer!

I've been baking more, and using my stove a fair amount.
slynne
response 57 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 17:53 UTC 2002

I have been thinking about getting a bread maker because I really like 
fresh bread plus I want to start eating more whole grains. I figure 
that having fresh whole wheat bread will be nice. 
mary
response 58 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 20:15 UTC 2002

They are convenient.  I would love waking up on Sunday mornings
to the smell of baking cinnamon raisin bread.  
i
response 59 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 02:31 UTC 2002

The bread machine is about cost and control for me.  Seriously healthy
bread (low fat/sodium/sugar, heavily fiber enriched, low refined flour,
etc.) that i can tweak for the cost of ingredients (vs. healthy=expensive
store prices).
keesan
response 60 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 18:03 UTC 2002

We buy bulk baking yeast - would you like some (much cheaper than the little
packets from the store)?  Why are you adding fiber to unrefined flour?
i
response 61 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 14:38 UTC 2002

I get my yeast at By the Pound (the bulk store in the S. Main Market) and
use only 1/2 t per loaf.  I don't recall the cost per pound - any idea
what you pay?

Experiments with my machine and no-bread-flour loaves never worked out.
There's more fiber in the 2C bread flour / 1C wheat bran that i'm using 
now than in 3C of whole wheat flour.  (I use the fine-cut bran, so it's
not mostly air in the cup.)  Occasionally I see whole wheat bread flour
and use that with good results.  There's also a limit to how many things
i can reasonably stock in my feeding-just-one-person-&-no-chest-freezer
pantry. 
keesan
response 62 of 205: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 15:10 UTC 2002

So you are mixing white flour and bran?  But then you don't get the germ,
which has a lot of vitamins and minerals.  And most of the taste.
We get our yeast and flour through a buying club.  The flour is about 40 cents
per pound.  The food coop charges something like $1.35 for it.  Organic whole
wheat bread flour in both cases, from the same supplier.  We are sharing the
flour with three other people and we buy it fresh nearly every month now. 
If you have other business in the downtown area and want to stop by with a
milk jug or other container we can sell you about 7 pounds (one gallon).  I
presume our baking yeast costs about half what the coop charges.  We also have
rye flour and cornmeal, both organic.  They are probably fresher than
supermarket whole wheat flour, which can be pretty rancid after sitting onthe
shelves for a few months.  We have also tried adding to bread part durum flour
from the Indian food store, which is yellow and claims to be 'whole'
(entiere), and is higher gluten.
slynne
response 63 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 21:25 UTC 2002

If a person is thinking about getting a bread machine for baking whole 
wheat bread, does the brand matter?
i
response 64 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 21:59 UTC 2002

I dimly recall that some bread machines have a "whole wheat" setting...
which is *NOT* to say that this setting is good for anything but sales.

Brand certainly matters in the sense that it does with any gadget - some
are better performing, more reliable, cheaper, etc. than others.

Are you familiar with bread machines to know of any features that you
want to have?

I don't think they've reviewed bread machines for a while, but i recall
a suggestion or two in a recent Consumer Reports magazine that's around
here somewhere. 
slynne
response 65 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:14 UTC 2002

I am totally clueless about bread machines. I do want to get one, 
primarily because I want to start baking whole wheat bread so it is 
important that I get one that can handle that. 

What kind do you have, i? 
mary
response 66 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:18 UTC 2002

I had a Panasonic (sold at Williams-Sonoma) and it did a very
good job with whole wheat bread.  But that was eons ago, don't
know anything about the latest models.

Buy it from somewhere that will take it back, used, if you
don't like it.
slynne
response 67 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:27 UTC 2002

That is good advice. 
keesan
response 68 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:41 UTC 2002

Ours has a whole wheat setting (also about 10 other settings such as sweet
bread) but I don't know what it does.  Perhaps it allows a longer rise.  I
would like one that you could program for as long a rise as you want, and
choose between 1 and 2 rises.  Our first machine was only able to do one
standard setting - short rise - and the bread always came out rather heavy.
We have two machines now with timers that in theory should allow you to make
breads that require first rising the sponge and then adding the rest of the
flour (mix up the sponge, add to the machine, dump flour on top, set on a
timer to start the next morning after the sponge has risen for a while.)
slynne
response 69 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 22:42 UTC 2002

That sounds complicated. I dont even know what sponge is. haha. 
keesan
response 70 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 15:45 UTC 2002

Along with whole wheat and sweet bread, it has rapid and quick breads, so I
suspect these settings are in fact only different timings.  I wonder how rapid
and quick differ.  Sponge is a wet dough that rises for a while and falls back
on itself and then you add more flour to get it to rise again.  It supposedly
gives things a different texture and taste.
i
response 71 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 02:05 UTC 2002

My machine is a Regal from early '96.  I bought a replacement pan & paddle
for it a year or two ago.

My impression is that many bread machines are bought with good intentions,
then fall into disuse fairly soon.  Depending on your budget, it could be
good to borrow one or buy second-hand.  Consumer Reports briefly lists a
few favored models in their Xmas gift issue - they go for $75 to $100 new.

It's certainly possible to make fancy stuff with a bread machine (if you
have time to burn & itchy fingers), but regular use of one with a proven
recipe pretty much amounts to (1) measure & dump stuff into machine, (2)
plug in machine & push buttons to start it, and (3) remember to remove
finished bread semi-promptly & leave it out to cool for a while.

You'll probably need to add a few standard bread ingredients to your 
pantry.  Yeast and bread flour almost certainly.  Probably oil.  Whole
wheat flour in your case.  There's no need for lots of ingredients; but
somebody somewhere has found & bought & grated & measured 15 different
kinds of cheeses because they just *had* to bake 15-cheese bread.
cmcgee
response 72 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 02:13 UTC 2002

Item 3 has a lot of stuf about bread machines
keesan
response 73 of 205: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 02:49 UTC 2002

We do not put any oil in our bread, just flour, water, yeast.  Jim has been
experimenting with how much rye flour can be added to the wheat before the
machine overloads and he has to take it apart and replace the thermal cutout.
He is up to about 1/4 now, I think.
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