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slynne
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response 49 of 196:
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Oct 27 15:51 UTC 2003 |
I dont believe even cops have a right to wear guns in private spaces if
the owners or managers of those private spaces dont want them to. For
instance, you would not be allowed into my home with a gun and that is
perfectly legal.
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tod
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response 50 of 196:
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Oct 27 17:12 UTC 2003 |
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edina
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response 51 of 196:
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Oct 27 17:13 UTC 2003 |
I wouldn't ask. If I took the time to go through the training and was doing
a job that was to "protect and serve", I wouldn't ask for permission.
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anderyn
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response 52 of 196:
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Oct 27 17:45 UTC 2003 |
Well, see, he drives straight FROM work (or did) to pick me up, so didn't have
time to go home and change first. Very occasionally, it would have been nice
to have him come in to get things I was taking home since I am not very good
at carrying boxes downstairs (I get packages at work, for the curious, since
I'm never home when the package people come) or for other similar reasons.
I asked, Providence said no, so big whoop. He never came inside in uniform.
I wouldn't call it a debacle. I was miffed that it had to go to Providence
in the first place (they're our home office, but the office manager and the
executive editor make most decisions right here) and a little grumpy about
it, because it seemed like such a no-brainer that he could continue to come
in as he'd always had... but so what? He didn't come in, I got over being
grumpy (though not when I had big boxes to carry :-) and no one else really
cares.. do they?
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tod
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response 53 of 196:
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Oct 27 18:37 UTC 2003 |
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cross
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response 54 of 196:
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Oct 27 18:41 UTC 2003 |
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anderyn
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response 55 of 196:
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Oct 27 19:24 UTC 2003 |
Well, I thought they were rude and being silly too. Why shouldn't he have come
in as he'd done a thousand times before? (I mean, for God's sake, if they
don't know him after twenty-three years! And him being at all the office
functions and helping with them even, it's more like a family here than an
office, in some ways, or it WAS. So it struck me as being a stupid rule.
Everyone in the office who'd be there at the the time he *might* have come
in have known him for ten or so years, if not longer. So it's not like they'd
feel THREATENED by Bruce. Or anything like in an office that's not like mine.
But oh well. )
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cross
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response 56 of 196:
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Oct 27 19:40 UTC 2003 |
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slynne
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response 57 of 196:
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Oct 27 20:09 UTC 2003 |
You know. Every company I have ever worked for has had a policy of no
firearms on the premisis. Obviously this didnt apply to on duty police
officers but it certainly would apply to off-duty police officers.
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tod
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response 58 of 196:
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Oct 27 20:11 UTC 2003 |
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anderyn
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response 59 of 196:
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Oct 27 20:45 UTC 2003 |
Again, this would have been after normal working hours. Like, five or five
thirty. There might have been a couple of people in my department who met him,
and that's about it. Like I said, I didn't see a problem, since the people
who work that late all know Bruce well. It's not like he'd be striding around
a big office where no one knew him or anything. (You have to remember that
this place is small, and I've worked here for twenty-three years. It really
is more like family than most other workplaces. That's probably what felt
wrong to me and to Bruce about it, more than anything else. The reminder that
it's not just the little cozy place I thought I worked for. Okay, there's
seventy people here, but I know fifty-five of them well enough to write notes
to their parents when they're sick.)
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tod
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response 60 of 196:
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Oct 27 21:24 UTC 2003 |
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aruba
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response 61 of 196:
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Oct 27 21:33 UTC 2003 |
I had a coworker who collected lots of guns. He and my boss used to talk
about them all the time, one desk away from me. It made me pretty
uncomfortable, even though the coworker was a nice guy.
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edina
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response 62 of 196:
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Oct 27 21:35 UTC 2003 |
Why?
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tod
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response 63 of 196:
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Oct 27 21:42 UTC 2003 |
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aruba
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response 64 of 196:
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Oct 27 21:57 UTC 2003 |
Re #62: Well, my coworker's wife was dying of cancer at the time, and even
though he was a nice guy, he was under enough stress to break some men.
But to some extent, that's beside the point: I know it would make some
people uncomfortable if I, say, put up a Playboy calendar in my cubicle.
Or talked all the time about hot babes. I had a similar reaction to the
photo my boss had in his office of his wife holding a rifle and the head
of a deer she had just shot. Likewise when he talked about guns with my
coworker.
I don't feel a lot of discomfort around pictures of naked ladies, but I
respect the feelings of those who do. Likewise I'd hope people would
respect my feelings about guns.
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tod
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response 65 of 196:
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Oct 27 22:21 UTC 2003 |
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cross
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response 66 of 196:
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Oct 28 00:33 UTC 2003 |
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anderyn
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response 67 of 196:
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Oct 28 01:15 UTC 2003 |
Well, sorry, but it was my workplace and I asked, in case there *might* be
a problem, and then respected what I was told. So why in the world would that
be a problem with anyone else? I was grumpy a little, because it was annoying
that I couldn't get Bruce to come inside anymore when I needed the help to
carry things, but I still don't get why anyone would think it was a debacle
or anything so discussable. I don't think anyone at work gave it a second or
third or more than a moment's thought.
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cross
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response 68 of 196:
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Oct 28 02:12 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 69 of 196:
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Oct 28 02:16 UTC 2003 |
My roommate my freshman year in college used to clean his rifles while
sitting on the floor of our dorm room. Sometimes he'd invite his friends to
do the same. He stored his ammo under my bed. I don't know if I'd say it
exactly made me nervous, but I did find it just weird enough to be slightly
disturbing.
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slynne
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response 70 of 196:
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Oct 28 02:29 UTC 2003 |
I know this is a moot point now but...
Couldnt Bruce have unloaded his gun and put it in a locked case in the
trunk so he could come up and help you carry things?
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bru
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response 71 of 196:
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Oct 28 04:09 UTC 2003 |
The point being tha it was legal for me to carry the weapon wherever I needed
to carry it. Either in uniform or concealed. They could not order me not
to.
My problem with the office was that I asked out of courtesy. I expected the
same level of civility in the reply, not an order telling me no.
No, I could not leave the weapon unloaded in the car. That would have been
a violation of proceedure. While in uniform, the gear is considered to be
part of the uniform. I put it on when I walked out the door in the morning,
and took it off when I got home at night. The weapon is not supposed to be
out of our control at any time, unless it is in a secure setting. The car
is not believed to be a secure setting.
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slynne
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response 72 of 196:
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Oct 28 04:17 UTC 2003 |
See, I think that is what people are up in arms about. Your attitude
that your wife's work couldnt order you not to carry the weapon on
their premisis. I know you respected what they said and that is great
but if you had chosen not to, they could have had you removed and/or
disiplined your wife. Being a law enforcement officer does not give one
carte blanche to go *anywhere* with a weapon.
But thank you for answering my question about leaving the gun locked in
the car.
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cross
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response 73 of 196:
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Oct 28 05:26 UTC 2003 |
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