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mcnally
response 487 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 18:01 UTC 2003

  re #484:  patently false, as I can think of several obvious
  counter-examples to your claim.  Of course it becomes a bit
  harder if you choose to stretch your definition of democracy
  beyond reason.  If the Pope is elected by the College of
  Cardinals, does that make the Vatican a democracy?
jp2
response 488 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 18:27 UTC 2003

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tod
response 489 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 19 23:45 UTC 2003

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twenex
response 490 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:24 UTC 2003

Re: #484: If true, that's probably got to do with the fact that their
isn't a single country in the world that has a Caucasian majority and
where people living anywhere above the breadlne aren't filthy rich
compared to the average in the rest of the world - i.e. the
middle=classes effectively represent  the largest or moot powerful
class.
tod
response 491 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:29 UTC 2003

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twenex
response 492 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 01:46 UTC 2003

Whether it be or no, I don't think Isrealis are classed as Caucasians,
sicne they are related to the Egyptians the Berbers of North Africa,
and the Arabs. Caucasians the world over have a nasty habit ;-) of
speaking Indo-European languages natively.
klg
response 493 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 02:26 UTC 2003

News flash:
In a surprise move today, Colonel Qaddafi of Libya, to show his 
growing hatred for the U.S. and his desire to make us less safe, 
announced he is dismantling his nuclear weapons program and allowing 
the entry of international inspectors.  Lefties are now quaking in 
their beds since this is a clear reaction to the U.S. quagmires in 
Afghanistan and Iraq.  How-weird Dean (Go, How-vierd) in close 
consultation with his buddy Herr richard, caught with their shorts 
down, have, to our knowledge not yet issued a statement critical of 
the Bush administration's handling of this crisis.  But one is 
expected shortly.
keesan
response 494 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 02:47 UTC 2003

Lots of people in this country who are not 'Caucasian' speak English.
jmsaul
response 495 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 05:55 UTC 2003

Re #486:  The ones who wrote the position paper about preventing the growth
          of regional superpowers.
twenex
response 496 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 12:32 UTC 2003

Yes, but a hefty proportion of those who speak Indo-European languages
in its home area are Caucasian, excluding immigrants from countries
where non-Indo-European languages are spoken, and thos in the Indian
sub-continent, and Iran. There are also still many many rural places
in Africa where, although the whites speak Indo-European languages and
many middle class native Africans do, the rural indigenous
populatrions do not speak it at all, let alone natively.

This is possibly also true of some isolated places in Australia.
scott
response 497 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:14 UTC 2003

Re 493:  Excellent news.  I hope that Pres. Bush won't kick out the inspectors
the way he did in Iraq...
gelinas
response 498 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:42 UTC 2003

(There are many dark-skinned Caucasians in India.  Iran, too, I think.)
twenex
response 499 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 14:58 UTC 2003

My understanding is that "Caucasian" does not include dark-skinned
Indo-Europeans. If it does, then you can delete "and those...Iran" in
my response above.
gelinas
response 500 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 15:05 UTC 2003

And my understanding is that it does, on theory that the migrants from the
Caucusus Mountains adapted to the more-intense rays of the sun in other
climes.
keesan
response 501 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 15:08 UTC 2003

Or interbred with the native people that they conquered, such as Dravidians.
willcome
response 502 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 22:40 UTC 2003

Re. 487:  The Vatican isn't nation-state in the traditional sense.  You've
yet to provide a single example of an undemocratic nation-state with a
Caucasian majority.
mcnally
response 503 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:24 UTC 2003

  Belarus.
mcnally
response 504 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:25 UTC 2003

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mcnally
response 505 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:26 UTC 2003

Or, if you prefer, Monaco.
twenex
response 506 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:38 UTC 2003

Andorra (upto the late nineties). Luxembourg/Liechtenstein (one of the
two, can't remember which). Most of South America until the 90s.
Britain, if you believe democracy can't exist independently of
republicanism (in the wide sense, not the American political sense).
gelinas
response 507 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:46 UTC 2003

(Liechtenstein is a hereditary constitutional monarchy on a democratic and
parliamentary basis.  Luxembourg is a constitutional monarchy.)
twenex
response 508 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 20 23:51 UTC 2003

/scratches chin.

I'm sure I'd heard that one of the two was about to become a mediaeval
style mnonarchy again, on the basis that if it wasn't, the monarch
would leave and go live in Austria. Mustn't have happened.
willcome
response 509 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 21 01:19 UTC 2003

Re. 503 & 505:  Both of those states are democratic by any measure.
mcnally
response 510 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 21 02:41 UTC 2003

  Perhaps I'm confusing Belarus with another ex-Soviet Republic.  I was
  under the impression they had a Communist-remnant government that had
  cancelled scheduled elections when they seemed inconvenient.

  Is the People's Republic of China a democracy according to your rules?
  Not that it fits your other criterion, but I just want to know whether
  it's worth playing your definition-of-democracy game.
willcome
response 511 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 21 02:51 UTC 2003

Yes, Rand, you're probably confusing it with South Africa or another primitive
state, like China, which, of course, is not a democracy.
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