response 49 of 210:

Mar 8 17:50 UTC 1998

It is just that most of this discussion has been on hardware.

response 51 of 210:

Mar 9 19:00 UTC 1998

Fine, but nobody seemed to know any more than I did about the broadcast form
of digital radio, and I spent a couple hours browsing the net for it before
I entered this item.  What do you know about digital broadcast radio?

response 53 of 210:

Mar 12 03:41 UTC 1998

as was mentioned before, digital radio can often provide an alternative
selection to market-dependent FM radio.

response 55 of 210:

Mar 13 05:44 UTC 1998

"all legal radio in the Netherlands was by cable?"
This would imply no car radio?  (Or else a really long tangle of 
cables on the highway...)

response 57 of 210:

Mar 13 20:59 UTC 1998

Well, my friends there said all the radio was by cable.  Maybe all the state
radio stations transmitted by cable.  NO idea about car radio.  In
Czechoslovakia in the dorm and in hotels there was always a radio with one
station, which I presume was cable.  You could get sevral stations on a
transistor radio.  Belgrade had at least 3 stations.  Macedonia, Bulgaria,
and Greece all broadcast very powerfully at the same wavelength.  (They did
not want you listening to anyone outside the country, and Macedonia was
strongest because of gastarbeiters in Germany.
        Rane, could you tell us about Dutch radio and cable?

response 59 of 210:

Mar 14 00:45 UTC 1998

Someone could email him and ask.

response 61 of 210:

Mar 16 16:45 UTC 1998

Clees e-mailed me back:


From R.Vermunt@ubvu.vu.nl Mon Mar 16 11:41:33 1998

In the netherlands there is a devide between public broadcasting and the 
commercial stations.
The first are supported by the government, and are entitled to broadcast at 
public channels. But since the number of channels is rather low, the hours 
available for broadcasting are limited. Now, most stations have their 
origin back in the thirties, when radio was first used.
At typical trait of the Dutch is compartmentalization, and each movement 
(catholic, christian, socialist, liberal etc. etc.) had their own 
broadcasting organization. But since government ruled over the availability 
of the "air" they were forced to make use of that.
So each organization started to acquire members, which eventually decided 
how many hours on air each organization had.
In the sixties, a couple of pirates started to broadcast from ships just 
outside territorial waters. In the seventies these merged and gave the 
initiative for discussions about the possibilities for commercial 
roadcaing. Late eighties that was realized and the devide was there.
At that time cable was being broadly installed all over the country (I 
guess that only a couple of isolated places are still not connected).
Currently, both systems still exist and dicussions are being about the 
viability of the public system.
I hope that answers your question.
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* Love, Rick Vermunt - aka clees            -the Netherlands   *
* phone +31 20 475 00 75            \|||||/  email:            *
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For more questions, e-mail him again and maybe ask if he would mind
joining the radio conference item 203.

response 63 of 210:

Mar 18 07:54 UTC 1998

That URL is a program web site for the five official radio stations of
the Netherlands. They broadcast both by cable and "ether", viz
"De etherfrequenties en de kabelfrequenties van Radio 4." No RealAudio.

response 65 of 210:

Mar 18 20:07 UTC 1998

Hi Clees, thanks for all the info.  I am hoping that there is a classical
music RealAudio station from the Netherlands.

response 67 of 210:

Mar 19 11:24 UTC 1998

What now? RealTV?

response 69 of 210:

Apr 20 17:56 UTC 1998

From krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu Mon Apr 20 13:54:50 1998
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 00:09:12 EST
To: keesan@cyberspace.org
Subject: (fwd) Re: Need list of Classical Real Audio broadcast URLs
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical

On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:10:31 -0400, Gary Goldberg
<76236.3302@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>Would those who read this thread (particularly those outside the US)
>please post the URLs of classical radio stations which broadcast
>in Read Audio?  Also, if schedules (and a list of the music to
>be played) are available, please indicate that, too.
>
>I've installed RA and am enjoying listening to classical music
>from stations around the world, but know my list is not complete.
>
>By the way, does anyone know what format KLASI, the 24-hour classical
>Internet-only "station" uses? It SEEMS like RA from their page, but
>the extension is .asx, not .ram and Netscape doesn't know what it
>wants, only that Netscape can't play it (I'm using the 68K Macintosh
>version of RA).
>
>Thanks in advance, everyone.

Here it's my list. If you have another RealAudio or even non-RA (MPEG
on-line streaming or another technology) on-line radio stations,
please post it here or e-mail it to me. TIA.

pnm://204.236.16.2/kingfm28MI.ra
pnm://198.234.70.254/wksu.ra
pnm://206.190.32.134/wfmt.ra
pnm://206.190.32.31/krts.ra
pnm://209.113.172.19:7070/wbach.ra
pnm://ra.n2k.com/wqxrny.ra
pnm://206.98.156.234:7070/wtmilive.ra
pnm://raf.cbc.ca/cbcstereo.ra
pnm://pn1.netradio.net/cl.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/baroque.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/chamber.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/chant.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/opera.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/piano.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/quiet.ra
pnm://pn6.netradio.net/symphony.ra
pnm://media.radio-canada.com/livefm.ra
pnm://195.33.2.225/wrn3eu.ra
pnm://realaudio.byu.edu/fm.ra
pnm://flannery.wqed.org/onair.ra
pnm://206.156.73.61/wmuu.ra



(I received this recently and cannot help.  Can you?)

response 71 of 210:

Apr 20 21:19 UTC 1998

Thanks for the list, I will tell a friend with the proper hardware and ISP
to check it out, in fact I should e-mail him the list now.