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naftee
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response 48 of 77:
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May 4 19:57 UTC 2007 |
re 40 If I understand correctly, you're talking about bands playing their own
music. In this case, I'm sure that the imitation band will try to copy
as much as possible what the original band does, since there are recordings
available of the originals. With art music ("classical music"), unless you're
dealing with the twentieth century, there aren't any recordings available of
the composers conducting their own works. Strictly speaking, I don't think
that it's fair to compare the thousands of different interpretations of
Beethoven's works with a band whose job it is to imitate.
I'd be also wrong to point out that musicians imitating what others do does
not exist it art music. It does. There are accepted "standard" tempi for
Mozart's and Beethoven's symphonies. But those are a result of an overall
average tempo as a result of the numerous performances.
Composers differed on their opinions of interpretations of their works, as
well. Brahms hated any performance of his symphonies where the tempo in a
movement was strict from beginning to end. He would also approve of two very
different performances of his works, if he judged that the performance were
done sensitively. On the other hand, Stravinsky would be extraordinarily
severe in his critiques of performances that did not follow exactly the tempi
or expressions indicated in the score. These are points that the conductor
or performer should take into account.
I'll admit that my opinion is that the performer should try to convey as much
as possible the composer's exact intentions. But, as I mentioned above,
sometimes the composer wanted the performer to do what he thinks is best.
Also, attending an art music concert is very much like watching a Shakesperian
play. There are numerous points in common.
re resp:42 I've never quite understood the applause after a display of
fireworks.
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cyklone
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response 49 of 77:
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May 4 22:51 UTC 2007 |
I admit my analogy is a bit off, in particular because most pop music
lacks the "conductor" element. However, when you look at the way classical
music is re-recorded compared to the way pop music is re-recorded,
classical is much more toward the "tribute band" side of the spectrum.
While I know virtually nothing about the current state of classical music,
I'd guess you could count all the "radical remakes" on one hand. And while
I am aware that some conductors are known to be more determined to impose
their own personality on someone else's music, even then I think you find
far fewer, total or percentage-wise, than you'll finding musicians willing
to radically remake pop tunes.
John Mellencamp once made an interesting comment about the songs he wrote.
He said they're like children. You do your best with (recording) them and
then you let them go to see how they do after that (in the hands of others
or in his own later re-works). I don't think you can find a similar
attitude among the composers of classical music.
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twenex
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response 50 of 77:
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May 16 15:52 UTC 2007 |
For Richard's information, I like Joe Cocker's cover version of With a Little
Help... so much that I mayactually prefer it to the original.
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edina
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response 51 of 77:
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May 16 15:54 UTC 2007 |
There are a bunch of covers that are better than the original, number
one in my mind being Manfred Mann's "Blinded By The Light", originally
written by Bruce Springsteen.
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twenex
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response 52 of 77:
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May 16 17:31 UTC 2007 |
That's another one...
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tod
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response 53 of 77:
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May 16 19:19 UTC 2007 |
All Along the Watchtower by Hendrix is a good remake. And Sinatra's version
of My Way.
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richard
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response 54 of 77:
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May 16 19:26 UTC 2007 |
I really like Sheryl Crow's cover of Cat Stevens, "The First Cut is
the Deepest" Of course not saying it was necessarily better than his
original:
"I would have given you all of my heart
but there's someone who's torn it apart
and she's "taken" almost all that I've got
but if you want, I'll try to love again
baby I'll try to love again but I know
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest
'cause when it comes to being lucky she's cursed
when it comes to lovin' me she's worst
but when it comes to being loved she's first
that's how I know
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest
I still want you by my side
just to help me dry the tears that I've cried
cause I'm sure gonna give you a try
and if you want, I'll try to love again
but baby, I'll try to love again, but I know
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest
'Cause when it comes to being lucky she's cursed
when it comes to lovin' me she's worst
but when it comes to being loved she's first
that's how I know
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest"
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bhelliom
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response 55 of 77:
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May 16 21:13 UTC 2007 |
If you're so concerned, Richard, why not get some people together and
volunteer to do a small-time music appreciation seminar for young
people?
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durrett
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response 56 of 77:
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May 17 00:43 UTC 2007 |
Joe Cocker's live version of "feeling alright" rocks.
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mcnally
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response 57 of 77:
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May 17 04:46 UTC 2007 |
Ugh. I don't like Joe Cocker and his massacre off a decent
Traffic song is at the head of the list of reasons why.
Blech.
But how did we get from "classical music" to "classic rock"?
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cyklone
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response 58 of 77:
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May 17 11:40 UTC 2007 |
We were discussing the idea of remakes and the widely different views
between classical music and pop music as to the validity of radical
remakes. I agree that simply pointing out radical pop music remakes does
not really address why the differences exist
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tod
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response 59 of 77:
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May 17 18:23 UTC 2007 |
Speaking of song choices..
Dear Todd,
Hillary needs your help. We've been working on an important issue -- the kind
that can make or break a campaign. And your input is absolutely critical to
ensuring that we make the right decision.
That's right -- we're picking our campaign song.
We've got a great selection up in an interactive poll on our website, with
artists like Shania Twain, U2, KT Tunstall, the Dixie Chicks, and more. Visit
the site, listen to the songs, and make your choice. Or you can suggest one
of your own.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/campaignsong
Thanks for participating. And don't miss Hillary's announcement of the song
contest on YouTube -- you won't want to miss it. Trust me.
Patti Solis Doyle
Campaign Manager
Hillary for President
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mcnally
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response 60 of 77:
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May 17 19:38 UTC 2007 |
Some suggestions that probably will *not* be adopted:
"Witchy Woman" by the Eagles
"Venus in Furs" by the Velvet Underground
<suggest your own..>
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tod
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response 61 of 77:
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May 17 19:50 UTC 2007 |
Bleed For Me by the Dead Kennedys
Super Freak by Rick James
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marcvh
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response 62 of 77:
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May 17 20:04 UTC 2007 |
"Barbie Girl" by Aqua
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mcnally
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response 63 of 77:
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May 17 20:22 UTC 2007 |
I think we have a winner with "Super Freak"..
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tod
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response 64 of 77:
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May 17 21:00 UTC 2007 |
"Don't Cha" by Pussycat Dolls
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edina
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response 65 of 77:
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May 17 21:11 UTC 2007 |
Hahahahah!!!!
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marcvh
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response 66 of 77:
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May 17 21:16 UTC 2007 |
That would only work if she staffed her cabinet with strippers who would
dance behind her while singing it. Failing that, "My Humps" would also
be a good choice (not the Alanis Morissette version.)
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tod
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response 67 of 77:
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May 17 22:34 UTC 2007 |
I find it insulting if a woman doesn't try to use sex appeal as leverage
therefore I suggest Hill come out dancing like Shakira to "Money Maker" by
Ludacris
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richard
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response 68 of 77:
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May 17 22:46 UTC 2007 |
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richard
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response 69 of 77:
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May 17 22:49 UTC 2007 |
They could re-work the theme song "Aquarius" from the musical "Hair":
This is the dawning of the age of Hillary
The age of Hilllarrry!
Harmony and Understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revealation
And the mind's true liberation
Hillary!
Hillary!
When the moon is in the seventh house
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will guide the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Hillary
The age of Hillary
Hilllllarrrry!
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edina
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response 70 of 77:
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May 17 22:52 UTC 2007 |
As if. I love her but truly believe that HRC will split this country
faster than a melon at a Gallagher show.
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tod
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response 71 of 77:
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May 17 23:19 UTC 2007 |
Bring back insane madmen like Ross Perot!
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richard
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response 72 of 77:
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May 17 23:33 UTC 2007 |
See this is the problem with classical music, you can't even do an
item about it without it drifting. Because classical music doesn't
hold people's attention. Heck, I'm even doing the drifting myself!
I'd say Mozart is turning over in his grave, but of course they don't
know where that is exactly as he died broke and couldn't afford one.
Even then people weren't appreciating the music enough were they?
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