response 49 of 176:

Nov 8 09:00 UTC 2003

it is, hwoever, the significant   turning point ... 49.9/50.1 ....
.po

response 55 of 176:

Nov 8 21:04 UTC 2003

19:24   Al-Aqsa Martyrs` Brigades activists kill Nablus butcher who refused
        to close shop during militant`s funeral 

While it is tragic that a boy laying cages to trap birds was mistaken
for a terrorist laying road-side bombs, we need to remember that this is
a war zone -- and this, historically and currently, by choice of the Arab
rejectionists who refuse to compromise and make peace.

The cut-and-paste articles above argue the case of poverty. Perhaps
this should be addressed to Yasser Arafat -- who sends his wife $100,000
every MONTH. Or the Central Committee members who legally pocket $20,000
per MONTH in a region where the average salary is $300-400 per month.

Which doesn't even address the money wasted on buying weapons (those found
aboard the Karine-A ship represented 3-15% of the PA's annual budget. Each
time Hamas purchases an M16 that's $5000 wasted) and the funds lost to
corruption and placed in private Swiss bank accounts. (Things are so bad that
even Arab countries are demanding accountability for their contributions.)


Lynne, I see your point but you neglect one huge difference. American and
Israeli policy isn't dictated by the hate-mongers.  I don't have to convince
you that the majority of Americans don't give a flying leap about Iraq, and
even the Bush critics don't ascribe his actions to "hate" (they say it has
more to do with "oil").  Israeli society and government is the same. Most
Israelis just want to live in peace. As you might recall from polls, only a
small percentage (~%6) of the "settlers" think that the territories are worth
fighting for -- a tiny minority within a minority. They think so not because
they hate the Arabs and wish to deprive them or even displace them, but due
to their own love for the land.

The Arab imperative has been of a different nature. Just look at 1948. The
goal wasn't to establish a Palestinian Arab state. They held Judea and
Samaria (which were "unified" with eastern Palestine as Trans-Jordan's
"West Bank") and Gaza (ruled by Egypt) for 19 years with no such intent.
The goal in 1948 was to "drive the Jews into the sea", a theme which was
repeated in 1967. Some could argue that the intent in 1973 was to regain
territory lost in 1967, but does anyone believe that if Israel had not
repelled the attack that the Egyptians would have stopped after reclaiming
the Sinai or Syria at the edge of the Golan?!

Let's not kid ourselves. It was Anwar Sadat who said (around 1973) that he
was willing to sacrifice 1 million Egyptian soldiers to destroy Israel.
(I don't remember, but Golda may have been responding to that when she said
what Eric quoted.)

Israel grudgingly sends its children to defend itself from these attacks.
Yet unlike "suicide bombers", Israelis hope and pray that no harm will
fall on their children doing this necessary job.

Let's go back to the $5,000 M-16. Each time Hamas opts to send a terrorist
to shoot dead as many Israelis as possible, they have stated that the
murder of these innocents is more important than buying $5,000 worth of
food with which to feed the children!

Then again, humanitarian aid will tend to the children, so why not buy the
weapon? Recall also that prior to the intifada, UNRWA was feeding 11,000
people, most of them elderly, widows, orphan,s etc. Today it feeds 715,000.
But don't expect any university "intellectuals" to call for an end to this aid
or for reducing it by the amount the PA spends on weapons.

Ask yourself this:

If Israel were to disband its army today, would it exist tomorrow?

If the Arabs were to end terrorism and accept peaceful coexistence today,
would there be peace tomorrow?

(I hate saying "the Arabs", as if they all support terrorism. But the minority
which does not has no power. The leadership does. Consider it short-hand for
the Arab leadership as supported by the majority.)

So the question we need to examine is why the majority of Palestinian Arabs
seek a violent solution (recall that the PLO Covenant openly rejects all
others) rather than accede to peaceful coexistence.

Remember the quote from revisionist historian Benny Morris?
(This is the guy who wrote a book about how Israel did evict some Arabs
during the 1948 war.)

||  Palestinian leaders and preachers, guided by history and religion, have
||  traditionally seen the Jews as an inferior race whose proper place was
||  as an abased minority in a Muslim polity. 

That's the horrible non-secret.
Peaceful coexistance is surrender.
And it is unacceptable.

"Carthage [Israel] must be destroyed!"
Even at the cost of the children.

response 61 of 176:

Nov 11 02:31 UTC 2003

Now here's a guy with enough money to build an empire and invite everybody
for 50 miles to move in and have a nice life and what does he do with it? 
He buys explosives and rockets and guns so his neighbors can go off and kill
themselves and take innocent unsuspecting people with them.  What a guy.
Why he hasn't been asassinated and his moeny frozen I'll never know.

response 63 of 176:

Nov 11 09:33 UTC 2003

because the 'giving ones' are dupes of the araFAT-bank account.
  
jsut like saddam, teh $$$ get diverted ..... and is wife&kid live in france!
  
gee, no wonder the frogs opposed new europ's decisioni to dump saddam!
/

response 67 of 176:

Nov 12 11:09 UTC 2003

.. tha's    'head' towel, isn;t it?

response 69 of 176:

Nov 12 16:13 UTC 2003

Whats really funny is I saw a program on tv last week, where an independent
film crew followed aPalastinian woman thru her marriage to a husband who is
living in the U.S.  They kept taking back roads to "get around" the isreali
road blocks.  Three hours on a back raod to avoid the isreali road blocks.

What the hell good are the roadblocks doing if they just openly drive around
them?