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rcurl
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response 460 of 526:
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Mar 8 16:54 UTC 2006 |
I disagree with your characterization of MM as "narrow-minded". He
performed a broad-minded public service by bringing the behavior of the
NRA to public notice. What nharmon wrote in #459 failed to be specific in
providing any evidence, just an accusation, in answering the question of "
Which element in the definition of liberal are you claiming he violated?"
- it was just a diatribe about indefinite accusations of mindedness.
If you want narrow-mindedness, just look to the NRA itself.
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klg
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response 461 of 526:
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Mar 8 17:34 UTC 2006 |
(Reading through these posts, I have had a difficult time containing my
laughter.)
Curl - Before I waste more time responding to your questions, please
tell us what you define as a "political liberal." I don't know if you
mean elected/appointed government officials or people who are directly
involved in elections as candidates or people who are involved in
elections, but not as candidates or advisors to any of the previous
groups or people who are involve in organizations that attempt to
influence public opinion or people who individually attempt to
influence public opinion or etc.
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rcurl
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response 462 of 526:
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Mar 8 18:21 UTC 2006 |
I intended to mean persons elected to office. Those are who the
right-wingers are usually attacking as "liberals". The question is, what
specific violations of the definition of "liberal" have been committed by
elected officials others have identified as liberal and who accept that
designation? This is to find the extent to which the dictionary definition
of "liberal" applies as used and accepted.
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richard
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response 463 of 526:
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Mar 8 18:39 UTC 2006 |
You know there are also "liberal republicans", although that wing of the GOP
is admittedly dying. Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, was a
liberal republican.
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nharmon
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response 464 of 526:
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Mar 8 18:56 UTC 2006 |
Stupid comments like #460 really annoy me. He says I failed to point
out specific examples in 459, when THEY'RE IN FUCKING #456!
Rane, you are a perfect example of a closed-minded liberal. You ask
people to cite things, and then totally ignore them when they do. You
go even further, and ATTACK people for not giving you examples, when
they HAVE.
Instead of trying to boast liberalism, why don't you teach by example?
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klg
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response 465 of 526:
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Mar 8 20:06 UTC 2006 |
Examples are provided below.
Nancy Pelosi: "Free from bondage to creed" - You mean that you can't
predict with near 100% certainty what liberals are going to say before
they say it???
Harry Reid: "Free from Narrowness . . .Progressive" - liberals appear
to be stuck in the past, afraid to consider new approaches to problems
they have been unable to solve with the same-old same-old.
Edward Kennedy: "Generous heart" - Much of the liberal agenda seems to
be associated with ways to keep the poor dependent on government
handouts, rather than providing them with true opportunities to improve
their stations
in life.
John Kerry: "As opposed to aristocratic" - generally, liberal
congressmen & senators don't appear to be any less rich or less haughty
than conservatives.
Ronnie Earl: "Popular" - Texans have been voting 59% Republican, but
the Democrats have been doing everything they can to assure that the
voting districts send a 60% Democratic delegation to Congress.
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richard
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response 466 of 526:
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Mar 9 00:45 UTC 2006 |
klg is the only person in the entire country who thinks Harry Reid is
liberal. He is far from it.
also klg provides examples but not sources. how do we know he didn't
make those quotes up in #465? I think rcurl probably doesn't regard
an example as a "legitimate example" when you don't cite sources. One
of those pet peeves of high academia ya know ;)
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klg
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response 467 of 526:
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Mar 9 01:29 UTC 2006 |
Hahahah hoo-hahaha. Oh me, oh my. You're killing me, RW. Those quotes
I "made up" are from Curl's definition of "liberal." I can't take it no
more. Keep 'em comin, babe.
Reid s Liberal Voting Record Speaks For Itself:
Deseret News: Reid Is One Of The Most Liberal Members Of Congress.
(Lee Davidson, More LDS Members In Congress Than Ever Before: 17,
Deseret News, 11/18/98)
After Losing A Senate Bid In 1974, Reid Ruefully Concluded, Nevada
Isn t As Liberal As We Thought. (Thomas B. Edsall, Balancing
Nevada, National Interests, The Washington Post, 2/1/05)
Reid s Most Recent Overall National Journal Rating Was Farther To The
Left Than Liberal Icons Such As Sens. Chris Dodd (D-CT), Chuck Schumer
(D-NY), And Joe Biden (D-DE). (National Journal Website,
nationaljournal.com , Accessed 12/3/04)
* According To Non-Partisan National Journal, Reid Was More Liberal
On Economic Issues Than Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA). (National Journal
Website, nationaljournal.com, Accessed 12/3/04)
* According To Non-Partisan National Journal, Reid Was More Liberal
On Foreign Policy Issues Than Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) And Sen. Hillary
Clinton (D-NY). (National Journal Website, nationaljournal.com, Accessed
12/4/04)
From 1991-2004, Reid And Former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) Voted Together
87% Of The Time. (CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 102nd Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 81% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 103rd Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 87% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 104th Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 80% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 105th Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 86% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 106th Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 91% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 107th Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 93% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
* In The 108th Congress, Reid Voted With Daschle 94% Of The Time.
(CQ Vote Analysis, Performed 1/31/05)
Harry Reid Has A 76 Lifetime Rating From The Ultra-Liberal Americans For
Democratic Action. (ADA Website, www.adaction.org/ , Accessed 1/11/05)
* Reid Has A Dismal Lifetime Rating Of 21 From The American
Conservative Union. (ACU Website, acuratings.com/ , Accessed 1/24/05)
Reid Has A 90% Lifetime Rating From AFL-CIO. (AFL-CIO Website,
www.afl-cio.org , Accessed 1/24/05)
Reid Has An 89% Lifetime Rating From AFSCME. (SEIU Website,
www.afscme.org , Accessed 1/24/05)
Reid Received A Lackluster 34% Lifetime Rating From U.S. Chamber Of
Commerce. (U.S. Chamber Of Commerce Website, How They Voted
Scorecards, www.uschamber.com , Accessed 12/2/04)
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rcurl
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response 468 of 526:
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Mar 9 02:31 UTC 2006 |
So, you are proving that Reid fits the definition of liberal? Let's review
that again:
liberal (adj). 1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3.
Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as in
religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, progressive.
and KLG gave of his example of Reid not following the definition as
"Harry Reid: "Free from Narrowness . . .Progressive" - liberals appear to
be stuck in the past, afraid to consider new approaches to problems they
have been unable to solve with the same-old same-old."
Well, that's some vacuous accusations, but none of it pertains to the fit
between Reid and the definition. He considers new approaches whenever
there is an opportunity to do so. Of course, the conservatives
(illiberals) in Congress crush anything that is new, or even progressive.
You've been hoisted on your own petard, KLG.
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keesan
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response 469 of 526:
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Mar 9 04:10 UTC 2006 |
Rane, will you please stop posting that definition?
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rcurl
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response 470 of 526:
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Mar 9 05:55 UTC 2006 |
No.
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happyboy
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response 471 of 526:
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Mar 9 09:32 UTC 2006 |
thank you.
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jep
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response 472 of 526:
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Mar 9 13:49 UTC 2006 |
Rane's definition of "liberal" is not the political definition. It is
a personality type. There are many political conservatives who fit all
of Rane's criteria, and many political liberals who don't fit any of
them.
The two words are homonyms. Rane's equating the two is like equating
the rough surface of a stucco wall with orange roughy, the edible
fish. It's obviously irrelevant and obviously based on, or intended to
create, confusion. It was entertaining once, years and years ago, but
has long since lost it's novelty for all of us but one.
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bru
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response 473 of 526:
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Mar 9 14:03 UTC 2006 |
no, I think he actually believes it. I think he also believe the illiberal
applies to all conservatives.
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nharmon
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response 474 of 526:
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Mar 9 14:30 UTC 2006 |
Rane seems to either be extremely closed-minded, or trolling. For
someone who is well educated, he brings very little new knowledge into
discussions. Instead, he just copies and pastes things, and reiterates
democratic talking points. And when confronted with contradicting
information, he just reiterates democratic talking points. He's gotten
to the point where even Sindi is sick of reading his definition of
liberal!
I think we would be better off if people stopped copying their
respective party leaders and tried to think for themselves for once.
And when you come to a different conclusion than your party, I wish you
would have the integrity to stand by what you believe and not tow the
party line. This applies to people like RC and RW as well as KLG.
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richard
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response 475 of 526:
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Mar 9 16:35 UTC 2006 |
to portray reid as a liberal, klg quotes very conservative media. The
National Journal is a well known right wing publication. Of course you are
going to find right wing media that will say that ANY democrat is a liberal.
Get better sources than that. Reid is center to right, he is an NRA member,
he is pro-life.
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klg
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response 476 of 526:
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Mar 9 17:13 UTC 2006 |
Then why does he check with moveon.org before he says anything?
And, if Reid is "center to right," what do you call Lieberman and
Nelson?
And, Curl, as far as I am concerned, you can post your "liberal"
definition every hour on the hour. If I decide I don't want to read
it, I won't. It really isn't that hard to do.
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keesan
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response 477 of 526:
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Mar 9 20:07 UTC 2006 |
I am going to skim past any posting with that definition in it.
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klg
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response 478 of 526:
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Mar 9 20:39 UTC 2006 |
You go, girl!
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happyboy
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response 479 of 526:
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Mar 9 22:36 UTC 2006 |
you go ostrich!
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richard
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response 480 of 526:
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Mar 10 01:39 UTC 2006 |
Lieberman is center to right on foreign policy, and liberal on social
issues.
Nelson is center to right.
Not all democrats are liberals and not all republicans are
conservatives klg, or didnt you know that?
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klg
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response 481 of 526:
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Mar 10 03:49 UTC 2006 |
No way. You're kiddin me, bro. (This isn't another of your jokes??)
Both Reid & Lieberman are center to right? Seems to me they have
slightly different opinions on Iraq. That center to right must cover a
lot of turf.
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tod
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response 482 of 526:
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Mar 10 17:26 UTC 2006 |
re #480
Lieberman is center to right on foreign policy, and liberal on social
issues.
I disagree. He's been screaming about the "faith based initiatives" being
a ploy to give tax dollars to legally protected bigotry.
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rcurl
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response 483 of 526:
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Mar 10 17:55 UTC 2006 |
Isn't it "liberal" to object to "faith based initiatives"?
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klg
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response 484 of 526:
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Mar 10 20:07 UTC 2006 |
liberal (adj). 1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind.
3. Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as
in religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular,
progressive.
No. I think that would be ungenerous, not enlightened, narrow-minded,
and non-progressive.
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