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keesan
response 46 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 17:32 UTC 2003

I think it would be difficult for someone who regularly consumes refined sugar
not to lose weight if they cut out refined sugar completely.
glenda
response 47 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 19:18 UTC 2003

Again, it depends on how much refined sugar they eat in the first place, and
how much other garbage is eaten and how much exercise is done.  It is the
whole diet and lifestyle that need changing, not just ONE aspect.  Changing
the lifestyle one aspect at a time as you adjust to it is a good start.
edina
response 48 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 19:20 UTC 2003

Depends on what they're doing to supplement it.
jules
response 49 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 20:24 UTC 2003

okay. im on the diet my health club supports. its rather like stkins without
throwing your body into keytosis, which we dont believe to be healthy. ive
lost about 50 lbs and feel great. i am less food obsessed than i have ever
been in my life.

things i have learned. all the "low fat" diets really dont work so well.
burning fat has alot more to do with how much insulin your body produces when
you eat too much refined sugar/carbohydrates. there is a reason those people
with a slim fast are fat. its because they are wrong.

lynne is very right. since switching to a low carb way of eating, i notice
myself rarely actually being hungry or even munching. i honestly just dont
think about food. i used to obsess. constantly.

my cholesterol has dropped over 100 pts to a very low number. 

i have much more energy.

have that bacon cheeseburger. just dont eat the bun.
have a nachos bellgrande with no chips.

i eat lots of eggs. lots of cheese. slim jims. sugar free ice cream.

weight watchers is coming out with a lower carb program. literally, just
losing the diet soda and juice/sweetened beverage habit is one of the single
healthiest things you can do for your body. and lose the chips and candy.

when i do crave chocolate, carbolife makes a chocolate bar i like.

and sometimes, i choose a weekend day to splurge and have extra carbs. 

and i keep losing weight. 

there isnt a magic pill or magic cure. watch how much freakin sugar you eat.
excercise. and remember, bread = sugar once your body breaks it down.
keesan
response 50 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 21:18 UTC 2003

Fat and protein are also broken down to sugar.  I would be dead if I lost 50
pounds.  Jim measured his cholesterol count once at under 125 so he would be
dead if it went down much.  Your no-starch diet may work for losing weight
fast but it is likely to make you rather sick in the long run.
jules
response 51 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 23:45 UTC 2003

thats actually not what the research shows. yes, if you go into keytosis and
break out the starvation hormones, its not good for you. which is why, though
i think atkins discovered something major, i dont totally agree with the
atkins diet. low carb is very different than no carb. think about eating raw.
before food is over processed and canned and boxed and all that crap we do
to it. meat. eggs. cheese. fish. whole grains. vegetables. fresh fruit.
butter. 

as opposed to dairy queen, bread, rolls, potatoes, candy, the amazing amount
of high sugar drinks we consume, more bread, macaroni and cheese, sweetened
cereal.

and low carb isnt designed for "speedy" weight loss. you put it on slowly,
and you need to take it off slowly, if you are overweight. but there are so
many other reasons to eat a low sugar healthy diet. and you mention that fats
and protiens turn to sugar. yes, but they dont cause your body to over produce
insulin to process the vast amount of sugar we consume on a daily basis.

keesan
response 52 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 01:29 UTC 2003

It sounds like what you are doing is not low carbohydrate but avoiding refined
carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour, which is an excellent idea.
We eat brown rice, millet, quinoa, sometimes whole wheat macaroni, and oatmeal
and sometimes barley and rye bread and wheat bread and potatoes.

Jim points out that cheese has lactose, a carbohydrate (sugar).

Good luck with your diet - you must be learning lots about nutrition and
cooking that you can share.
gelinas
response 53 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 14:47 UTC 2003

When I was in fourth grade, one of my classmates put a small chunk of meat
into a bottle of Coke as an experiment.  Over the course of a week or so, the
chunk got smaller.  It occurs to me know that another process could have been
involved, but it convinced us that Coke wasn't particularly 'safe'.  Not that
we stopped drinking it, mind you.
gull
response 54 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 15:26 UTC 2003

I think most of the ability to dissolve stuff that people associate with
Coke is due to its acidity.  A glass of orange juice would probably have
similar effects.
slynne
response 55 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 16:34 UTC 2003

As would the acids that are already in your stomach ;)
tod
response 56 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 20:00 UTC 2003

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gull
response 57 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 16 13:50 UTC 2003

I guess, technically, you could fit that into the Atkins diet. ;)
tod
response 58 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 16 23:48 UTC 2003

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other
response 59 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 16 23:51 UTC 2003

Some of those appetizers look mighty tasty...
tod
response 60 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 00:24 UTC 2003

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tod
response 61 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 22:55 UTC 2003

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gull
response 62 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 19:11 UTC 2003

That's pretty bizarre.
gull
response 63 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 20 23:38 UTC 2003

Actually, what I find most interesting about #61 is that they felt it 
necessary to throw the word "gay" in there.  I'm not entirely sure why, 
unless this is just the same sort of subtle discrimination that caused 
the word "black" to appear in a lot of newspaper crime reports where it 
didn't really make a difference.  (You will never see the headline, 
"Heterosexual white man arrested".)
tod
response 64 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 21 16:15 UTC 2003

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russ
response 65 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 23 03:06 UTC 2003

When most people say "Bite me!", they don't mean it literally.
tod
response 66 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 23 17:14 UTC 2003

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gregb
response 67 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 29 23:20 UTC 2003

Re. #58:  I got 404 errors on all links.
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