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rcurl
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response 44 of 210:
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Mar 6 01:54 UTC 1998 |
You won't get both an extra phone line and an ISP for $20/mo. Maybe ca.
$30 for both. It is cheaper to buy directly from people, but you won't
have the same level of startup assistance and service. Anyway, I was
suggesting Computer Renaissance to obtain an idea of a reference point
for the cost of used but guaranteed equipment.
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keesan
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response 45 of 210:
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Mar 6 20:41 UTC 1998 |
With the micros conference, who needs to pay for startup assistance?
Maybe I will wait on this one until the house is built, and I can use the
phone line there for radio instead of calling Jim to lunch, and by then 486s
should be discarded in the alleyway where we found a 386. And there may be
more radio stations on the Internet, too. Thanks for all the info, everyone.
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omni
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response 46 of 210:
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Mar 7 06:37 UTC 1998 |
If you have the ganas (desire) you can build your own, I was doing that
until this computer fell into my lap. I can probably build one for about $200
inc hard drive and 8MB of memory, and beleive me, you'll probably need every
bit of that 8Megs for Netscape.
I still will build my 486, just because I have the desire and a bitchin
486DX66 chip that I'm dying to use. I don't have the cash available yet, but
I'm waiting patiently.
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keesan
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response 47 of 210:
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Mar 7 16:14 UTC 1998 |
Omni, would you like to link this item to 'micros'?
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omni
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response 48 of 210:
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Mar 7 17:09 UTC 1998 |
Not really. It's already linked to the music conference, and I think that
is suffiecient. I'm not one to overlink items. I've done less than 20 in 7
yrs.
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keesan
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response 49 of 210:
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Mar 8 17:50 UTC 1998 |
It is just that most of this discussion has been on hardware.
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mcnally
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response 50 of 210:
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Mar 9 05:20 UTC 1998 |
so start discussing digital radio and try to get back to the
original topic..
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keesan
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response 51 of 210:
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Mar 9 19:00 UTC 1998 |
Fine, but nobody seemed to know any more than I did about the broadcast form
of digital radio, and I spent a couple hours browsing the net for it before
I entered this item. What do you know about digital broadcast radio?
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lumen
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response 52 of 210:
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Mar 12 03:40 UTC 1998 |
Digital radio seems to be a nice alternative for stations that can't yet
afford an FCC license. The student radio station at Central Washington
University, where I attend, does not have an FCC license as of yet. Two
options are available: listen to the station by coaxial cable (the station
is broadcast simultaneously on a cable information channel) or listen to it
through RealAudio (I believe) on the 'Net.
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lumen
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response 53 of 210:
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Mar 12 03:41 UTC 1998 |
as was mentioned before, digital radio can often provide an alternative
selection to market-dependent FM radio.
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keesan
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response 54 of 210:
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Mar 12 19:06 UTC 1998 |
Last I knew, all legal radio in the Netherlands was by cable, and you paid
an annual fee for each receiver hooked up. The 'pirate' stations anchored
off the coast and broadcast commercial radio.
Are there any cable radio stations in this area? The cable TV company
here makes you pay the full fee for cable TV in order to have the privilege
of then paying them additional for some canned music provided in random order,
including 2 classical 'stations'. About $30-35/month total, I would rather
invest in the extra phone line and ISP for internet radio and get more
choices. I can use them for other things, too.
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krj
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response 55 of 210:
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Mar 13 05:44 UTC 1998 |
"all legal radio in the Netherlands was by cable?"
This would imply no car radio? (Or else a really long tangle of
cables on the highway...)
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rcurl
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response 56 of 210:
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Mar 13 07:15 UTC 1998 |
Philips Radio and Electronics is a Dutch firm. I doubt very much that
ordinary radios are not operable for regular Dutch stations.
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keesan
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response 57 of 210:
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Mar 13 20:59 UTC 1998 |
Well, my friends there said all the radio was by cable. Maybe all the state
radio stations transmitted by cable. NO idea about car radio. In
Czechoslovakia in the dorm and in hotels there was always a radio with one
station, which I presume was cable. You could get sevral stations on a
transistor radio. Belgrade had at least 3 stations. Macedonia, Bulgaria,
and Greece all broadcast very powerfully at the same wavelength. (They did
not want you listening to anyone outside the country, and Macedonia was
strongest because of gastarbeiters in Germany.
Rane, could you tell us about Dutch radio and cable?
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orinoco
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response 58 of 210:
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Mar 13 22:26 UTC 1998 |
I don't hink Rane is the person to ask...clees might have some idea, but I
don't think he lurks in this conference much
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keesan
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response 59 of 210:
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Mar 14 00:45 UTC 1998 |
Someone could email him and ask.
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rcurl
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response 60 of 210:
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Mar 14 06:44 UTC 1998 |
I listened to radio in the Netherlands, many years ago. All I know.
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keesan
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response 61 of 210:
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Mar 16 16:45 UTC 1998 |
Clees e-mailed me back:
From R.Vermunt@ubvu.vu.nl Mon Mar 16 11:41:33 1998
In the netherlands there is a devide between public broadcasting and the
commercial stations.
The first are supported by the government, and are entitled to broadcast at
public channels. But since the number of channels is rather low, the hours
available for broadcasting are limited. Now, most stations have their
origin back in the thirties, when radio was first used.
At typical trait of the Dutch is compartmentalization, and each movement
(catholic, christian, socialist, liberal etc. etc.) had their own
broadcasting organization. But since government ruled over the availability
of the "air" they were forced to make use of that.
So each organization started to acquire members, which eventually decided
how many hours on air each organization had.
In the sixties, a couple of pirates started to broadcast from ships just
outside territorial waters. In the seventies these merged and gave the
initiative for discussions about the possibilities for commercial
roadcaing. Late eighties that was realized and the devide was there.
At that time cable was being broadly installed all over the country (I
guess that only a couple of isolated places are still not connected).
Currently, both systems still exist and dicussions are being about the
viability of the public system.
I hope that answers your question.
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* Love, Rick Vermunt - aka clees -the Netherlands *
* phone +31 20 475 00 75 \|||||/ email: *
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For more questions, e-mail him again and maybe ask if he would mind
joining the radio conference item 203.
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keesan
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response 62 of 210:
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Mar 18 00:57 UTC 1998 |
From R.Vermunt@ubvu.vu.nl Tue Mar 17 19:06:07 1998
>>
Clees, thanks for your information on radio in the Netherlands,
which I have copied into radio item 203. Nobody believed me
about the pirate radio from ships, which my friends told me about
when I visited them in Amsterdam in the mid-seventies.
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As a matter of act: one of these stations (Veronica) is now the largest
commercial station, as a part of a conglomerate of more or less related
stations. All belonging to the Holland Media Group. Name any pulp program,
and you can find it there.
The other one (North Sea Radio) had some misfortune. (stranding, fires etc.
But any restart was doomed to fail. I think they restarted it again, but it
leads a marginal existance, with cable and so on.
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They told me that had to pay a monthly or annual fee for each receiver they
owned.
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They still do. From these fees the government funds public tv. The BBC
lives by the same processess.
The mere possession of any equipment obliges any citizen to pay that fee,
or else you are commiting a phelony.
Unfortunately, they recently decided to allow an expansion of commercials
at public tv. Still, it is way less than the comm. stations (not during the
programs).
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I did not know about voting for the amount of air time, but that was
the way BBC was operating too.
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It's not exactly a voting system. It works like this: one can become member
of a station. The number of members determines the hours on air.
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I am curious how the cable worked, and whether radios were equipped to
receive both cable and broadcast signals, and what about car radios?
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Depends on the equipment. (e.g. my tuner is that old-fashioned that it
cannot connect to cable, but only receive air transmissions.)
Car radios can only receive air, or else they'd be obliged to have very
long plugs :)
Cable is broadly distributed over our country.
The companies taking care of that infrastructure asks for a monthly fee,
which enables the viewer to get cable.
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Do you know anything about the Netherlands internet radio station or
stations?
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There is: try
http://www.omroep.nl
(Keesan has not checked this site yet, anyone want to report on it,
espcially anyone such as Rane who can listen to the internet stations?)
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rcurl
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response 63 of 210:
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Mar 18 07:54 UTC 1998 |
That URL is a program web site for the five official radio stations of
the Netherlands. They broadcast both by cable and "ether", viz
"De etherfrequenties en de kabelfrequenties van Radio 4." No RealAudio.
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clees
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response 64 of 210:
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Mar 18 16:46 UTC 1998 |
Finally there.
Ehhm, I know that Veronica has its own homepage, but never checked it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if real audio can be found there.
Now, reading this item, I can see the context of the mails I received from
keesan.
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keesan
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response 65 of 210:
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Mar 18 20:07 UTC 1998 |
Hi Clees, thanks for all the info. I am hoping that there is a classical
music RealAudio station from the Netherlands.
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krj
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response 66 of 210:
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Mar 19 05:43 UTC 1998 |
The NY Times for Monday had a feature on a new Internet radio
project from Quincy Jones. Qradio began operation in February with
"an initial focus on South African musicians. He hopes to broaden
the site to embrace other music." Http://www.qradio.net
The article mentions two other pages for Internet radio stations:
-- www.imagineradio.com, "a group of 20 original radio stations created
just for the web."
-- www.audionet.com, "offers 260 radio and television stations from
around the country, plus some 400 special events each day."
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n8nxf
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response 67 of 210:
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Mar 19 11:24 UTC 1998 |
What now? RealTV?
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rcurl
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response 68 of 210:
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Mar 24 06:26 UTC 1998 |
Item 203 from oldradio has been linked to radio at the request of keesan.
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