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rcurl
response 431 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 20:03 UTC 2006

Stop avoiding questions and "give some examples of political liberals not 
following the definition of liberal."
klg
response 432 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 20:15 UTC 2006

liberal (adj).  1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 
3.  Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as 
in religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, 
progressive.

"Free from bondage to creed" -  You mean that you can't predict with 
near 100% certainty what liberals are going to say before they say it???

"Free from Narrowness . . .Progressive" - liberals appear to be stuck 
in the past, afraid to consider new approaches to problems they have 
been unable to solve with the same-old same-old.

"Generous heart" - Much of the liberal agenda seems to be associated 
with ways to keep the poor dependent on government handouts, rather 
than providing them with true opportunities to improve their stations 
in life.

"As opposed to aristocratic" - generally, liberal congressmen & 
senators don't appear to be any less rich or less haughty than 
conservatives.

"Popular" - Texans have been voting 59% Republican, but the Democrats 
have been doing everything they can to assure that the voting 
districts  send a 60% Democratic delegation to Congress.
richard
response 433 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:20 UTC 2006

Nearly three million people in Texas voted for Kerry.  The GOP in Texas, under
Tom Delay, have resorted to highly unethical gerrymandering to steal
previously democratic districts and create more GOP seats.  That has nothing
to do with the democrats, they are not responsible for that.
richard
response 434 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:28 UTC 2006

liberals are more open minded than conservatives, because many conservatives
base their political beliefs on their religious beliefs, which mean they have
less room to compromise.  This is why republican presidents win landslides
in this country, not democrat presidential candidates.  Because democrats are
more willing to be open minded and consider candidates from the other party.

rcurl
response 435 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:47 UTC 2006

Re #432: KLG is, as usual, avoiding the question:

Stop avoiding questions and "give some examples of political liberals not 
following the definition of liberal."

nharmon
response 436 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:57 UTC 2006

> give some examples of political liberals not following the definition 
> of liberal.

"[America] would be better without Rush Limbaugh and his 20 million 
listeners[...] I don t have to my house for dinner anyone who s not pro-
choice, pro-gun control [...] pro-campaign finance reform"
--Eric Alterman, interview with the Los Angeles Times, March 2003

Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 expose that 
political liberal's closed-mindedness for the truth.

Want more?
richard
response 437 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:07 UTC 2006

but Moore wasn't close minded in that movie, I mean he DID go to visit NRA
head Charlton Heston at his house, to get Heston's point of view   
richard
response 438 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:17 UTC 2006

A liberal sees life as open to interpretation

A conservative sees life as dictated by the scriptures, and thus CLOSED to
interpretation.
gull
response 439 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:21 UTC 2006

Re resp:396: I think you could use the same argument to say the NRA is 
an inherently Republican organization.  I confess I often feel they 
are.  Their "enemies list" is predominantly Democrats, and while they 
occasionally endorse a Democrat, they rarely throw their weight behind 
a Democrat's campaign the way they often will with Republicans. 
scholar
response 440 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:22 UTC 2006

whoa!

the geese are coming back!

flying over my house right now!
richard
response 441 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:23 UTC 2006

very true, the NRA was once a gentlemanly hunter's club, but now it has become
a VERY conservative all purpose right wing political action committee.  
crimson
response 442 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:58 UTC 2006

Re #438: What about the conservatives who don't "see life as dictated by the
scriptures"? Or those who think portions of their scriptures are open to
interpretation?
happyboy
response 443 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 23:30 UTC 2006

scholar, watch out for the birdflu poops.
nharmon
response 444 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 00:11 UTC 2006

Re 441: Care to back that up with facts?
twenex
response 445 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 00:26 UTC 2006

"More liberal" than conservatives would like is generally good no matter what
definition you choose to pick up on.
rcurl
response 446 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 00:49 UTC 2006

Re #426: F 911 and Columbine are NOT "some examples of political liberals 
not following the definition of liberal". They are documentaries that 
cover a wide range of topics and events. Which specific event was not 
based in, and which liberal depicted was not acting according to the 
definition of liberal?
nharmon
response 447 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:03 UTC 2006

F911 and Columbine are examples of Liberals not following the definition
of liberal. Michael Moore already had his mind made up when he began
making these movies. It wasn't "lets do some research and find out". It
was "I'm going to show the world why I am right". If that isn't
closed-mindedness, I don't know what is.
slynne
response 448 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:06 UTC 2006

A documentary does not have to be objective. 
rcurl
response 449 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:09 UTC 2006

STILL no examples of "political liberals not following the definition of 
liberal"! The conservatives here are struggling very hard, and obviously, 
to avoid the question!
kingjon
response 450 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:09 UTC 2006

But a documentary is supposed to be based in fact -- after all, it's a
DOCUMENTary ("document" being used as a verb).

kingjon
response 451 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:11 UTC 2006

Curl slipped. (I believe the point klg, or whoever, was trying to make is that
the filmmaker Moore is such a one, and was avoiding naming present company.)

nharmon
response 452 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:15 UTC 2006

I'm not talking about those movies fitting a definition of documentary.
I'm talking about the closed-mindedness of the liberal moviemaker
involved. He not only acted contrary to the definition of liberal, he
misinformed others so that they would be unable to act liberally.

By the way, Rane, your silly taunts, even after having been given
examples, only serve to make you look more like RW and KLG. Are you
going to begin putting banners above and below your posts too?
rcurl
response 453 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 01:15 UTC 2006

But what did Moore do that did not follow the definition of a liberal? He 
was

liberal (adj).  1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart; 
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3.
Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as in
religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, progressive. 

and not

illiberal (adj.). 1. Not liberal; not generous in giving; parsimonious. 2.
Narrow-minded. 3. Lacking breadth of culture; hence, vulgar. 

gull
response 454 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 02:04 UTC 2006

Re resp:442: I don't think they have much pull in the Republican Party 
as it's currently run. 
keesan
response 455 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 02:58 UTC 2006

Rane, you should post your definition somewhere and just give the URL instead
of repeating it.  Even I am getting tired of reading it.
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