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response 42 of 111:
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Jul 1 11:50 UTC 2003 |
The former may make sense in certain contexts, but it is NOT the correct
wording of that particular idiomatic phrase.
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jor
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response 43 of 111:
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Jul 1 17:58 UTC 2003 |
You can't argue with me. I'm agreeing with you.
from http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxtoalli.html
"to all intents and purposes"
This cliche (meaning "practically") is a shortening of the legal
phrase "to all intents, constructions, and purposes" (found in an
act adopted under Henry VIII in 1547). The corruption "for all
intensive purposes" is frequently reported.
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bru
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response 44 of 111:
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Jul 1 21:35 UTC 2003 |
I have never heard "to all intansive purpose", ANYWHERE!
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katie
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response 45 of 111:
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Jul 1 21:47 UTC 2003 |
An editorial in the AA News last week referred to "certified pubic
accountants."
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katie
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response 46 of 111:
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Jul 1 21:47 UTC 2003 |
(eewww.)
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jaklumen
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response 47 of 111:
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Jul 1 23:42 UTC 2003 |
resp:44 I've never heard of "to all intansive purpose," either. Maybe
we should respell that?
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russ
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response 48 of 111:
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Jul 2 02:08 UTC 2003 |
I've seen peddlers selling ID cards identifying the bearer as a
"CERTIFIED PUBIC ASSASSIN". Apparently some pubes deserve to die.
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other
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response 49 of 111:
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Jul 2 05:10 UTC 2003 |
I received a (supposed) humor email containing the phrase "for all
intensive purposes" in a context which suggested that the author was not
aware of the correct phrase.
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md
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response 50 of 111:
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Jul 2 14:54 UTC 2003 |
Re #29: "I do not know of any grammatical rule violations that improve
clarity. Examples, please?"
"When the judge entered the courtroom, everyone stood on their feet" is
clear, and grammatically incorrect.
"When the judge entered the courtroom, everyone stood on his feet" is
grammatically correct, but unclear.
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rcurl
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response 51 of 111:
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Jul 2 15:02 UTC 2003 |
They seem equally clear to me, though it is unfortunate that English
doesn't have a generally useful singular neuter pronoun for people.
However this is recognized in my dictionary, which has:
"their, gen. pl. of the demonstrative pron.........: often used
colloquially with a singular antecedent (as, everybody, somebody,
everyone)."
I don't think that makes the usage *incorrect*.
Better example, please.
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jazz
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response 52 of 111:
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Jul 2 15:24 UTC 2003 |
Merriam-Webster seems to think it's valid to use either "their" or
"his". "Their" is more colloquially correct in modern American English, and
"his" sounds more like something one would say in British Parlaiment. But
several dictionaries agree that *both* are grammatically correct.
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gregb
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response 53 of 111:
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Jul 2 16:52 UTC 2003 |
Re. #51: "They seem equally clear to me..." The first says everybody
stood up. The second implies that they stood on the Judge's feet.
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mynxcat
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response 54 of 111:
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Jul 2 17:04 UTC 2003 |
Exactly. I would go with the first sentence.
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other
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response 55 of 111:
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Jul 2 17:41 UTC 2003 |
The lack if clarity is in the word "everyone," which is technically a
singular form, but has come to be a plural form in its usage. If you
break it into two words, then the meaning is clearly singular, which may
be why it is such a challenge for formalists to accept the combined form
as a plural.
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gull
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response 56 of 111:
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Jul 2 18:22 UTC 2003 |
Re #45: When I was in high school, I worked at the Alma Public Access
Channel. That same typo, dropping the "l" from "Public", happened there
once. Fortunately, I wasn't the one who did it. ;>
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jmsaul
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response 57 of 111:
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Jul 2 21:33 UTC 2003 |
The rule against splitting infinitives can lead to some pretty ugly stuff too
(and should never have been grafted onto English from Latin in the first
place).
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flem
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response 58 of 111:
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Jul 2 21:37 UTC 2003 |
Have to disagree there. I suppose it's possible that there are situations
in which a split infinitive is the clearest way to express something, but the
vast majority of them that I see can be avoided fairly easily with a little
thought, and the resulting sentence is almost always clearer for it.
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md
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response 59 of 111:
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Jul 2 22:26 UTC 2003 |
My favorite don't-end-with-a-preposition sentence:
Mom brings book to child's room to read bedtime story. It is child's
least favorite book. Child asks: "What did you bring that book I don't
like to be read to out of up for?"
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dcat
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response 60 of 111:
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Jul 2 22:37 UTC 2003 |
"Ending sentences with prepositions is something up with which we shall not
put!" -- Winston Churchill
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jmsaul
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response 61 of 111:
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Jul 3 02:33 UTC 2003 |
Re #58: Okay. So why would "To go boldly where no man has gone before"
have been superior to what they actually used on Star Trek?
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cmcgee
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response 62 of 111:
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Jul 3 03:14 UTC 2003 |
Boldly to go where no man has gone before.
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other
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response 63 of 111:
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Jul 3 04:54 UTC 2003 |
Spare me your restrictions on the licensure of poets.
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jmsaul
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response 64 of 111:
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Jul 3 13:27 UTC 2003 |
Re #62: That one's so strained, it's almost incomprehensible. The "no
split infinitives" rule is silly. It has no place in English.
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flem
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response 65 of 111:
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Jul 3 14:13 UTC 2003 |
My high school calculus teacher used to call your method of argument "proof
by intimidation".
I'm all about #62. I admit taht "to go boldly" scans poorly, the rhythmic
structure is awkward. "Boldly to go" doesn't have that problem. Claiming
that it's strained smacks loudly of circularity.
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rcurl
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response 66 of 111:
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Jul 3 14:28 UTC 2003 |
"Boldly to go" is exceptionally awkward, IMO. We sit and wait for the sentence
to have a subject...and finally discover it doesn't even have one.
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