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25 new of 526 responses total.
nharmon
response 415 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:27 UTC 2006

I like the work the NRA and SPLC do. In fact, I subscribe to 
SPLC's "Intelligence Report". In the NRA's case, they do a good job 
staying non-partisan through endorsing democratic candidates over 
republican candidates in cases where the democrate is stronger on 2nd 
amendment rights. John Dingell is one such candidate.

The SPLC also are not afraid of exposing the KKK, skinheads and radical 
environmental extremists for the terrorists they are.
nharmon
response 416 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:29 UTC 2006

Another thing I like about the NRA: They do none of their own studies. 
They rely totally upon unbiased third party studies such as those from 
the Justice Department.
richard
response 417 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:29 UTC 2006

see now the NRA takes the broadest possible interpretation of the second
amendment.  When the NRA does that its all right, but when the ACLU makes
broad interpretations, its called extremist.  Its ridiculous.
slynne
response 418 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:30 UTC 2006

Hmmm...interesting. 

Let's assume that the article in resp:410 is true (It very well may be 
but I still have some doubt because of the source). It brings up some 
interesting thoughts.

Are there more liberal college professors because conservatives are 
discriminated against?

Are liberals more likely to choose acedemia than conservatives? 

College professors are highly educated. Are non-college professors with 
simiar education levels also more likely to be on the left? And if so, 
does that mean that the more education you have, the more likely you 
are to be progressive in your thought?
richard
response 419 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 21:31 UTC 2006

The NRA also openly contributes to and backs candidats.  The ACLU has never
and will never endorse candidates for political office.  Because the NRA is
a distinctly political organization while the ACLU is not.
rcurl
response 420 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:08 UTC 2006

I think you hit it, Lynne: "the more education you have, the more likely you
 are to be progressive in your thought".
bru
response 421 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:43 UTC 2006

rcurl, will you please stop submitting this stupid and ridiculous definition!

Re #396: "more liberal" is good. Consider

liberal (adj).  1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3.
Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as in
religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, progressive.

illiberal (adj.). 1. Not liberal; not generous in giving; parsimonious. 2.
Narrow-minded. 3. Lacking breadth of culture; hence, vulgar.

All it does is make you appear illeberal and vulgar.
keesan
response 422 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 22:56 UTC 2006

Bru, could you please use a spell checker?  And if you don't like Rane's
dictionary, submit a definition from another dictionary.
bru
response 423 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 00:42 UTC 2006

It doesn't matter what dictionary you use.  The definition does not apply to
teh group or the party in question.  Not all liberals have a generous heart,
I doubt even most of the do.

and just because I am not a member of a liberal party, that does not make me
narrow minded or lacking breadth of culture.
marcvh
response 424 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 00:44 UTC 2006

Nope, it's just a coincidence.
rcurl
response 425 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 07:06 UTC 2006

I think the definition fits most political liberals, and is a misfit with
most right-wingers. I post it when people attack liberals - to make manifest
what they are attacking. How do you think liberals got the tag? Because,
simply, they are liberal. 
bru
response 426 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 13:15 UTC 2006

I do not think it fits most political liberals I have met.
klg
response 427 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 17:18 UTC 2006

Curl's definition (and comments) shows a clear problem with liberals - 
they tend to be overly self-righteous and overly critical/intolerant of 
those with differing philosophies.


The correlation of more "higher" education with greater liberalism is 
likely a manifestation of inbreeding.
rcurl
response 428 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 18:09 UTC 2006

Please give some examples of political liberals not following the definition
of liberal. 

Re #427: ROTFLOL!! Who are the ridiculously self-righteous and intolerant?
Right wingers. They define the traits. 

The correlation of more education with greater liberalism is due to a better
understanding of human nature and a greater tolerance for self determination.
richard
response 429 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 18:49 UTC 2006

Its not just a correlation between more education and liberalism, there is
also a correlation very similar between more education and atheism.  Studies
consistently show that the highest percentage of the most devoutly religious
are among those who are not college graduates.  Similarly, organized religion
does best in those parts of the world where the people are the least educated
or literate.
klg
response 430 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 20:02 UTC 2006

(Do I require more proof than response #428?)
rcurl
response 431 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 20:03 UTC 2006

Stop avoiding questions and "give some examples of political liberals not 
following the definition of liberal."
klg
response 432 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 20:15 UTC 2006

liberal (adj).  1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 
3.  Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as 
in religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, 
progressive.

"Free from bondage to creed" -  You mean that you can't predict with 
near 100% certainty what liberals are going to say before they say it???

"Free from Narrowness . . .Progressive" - liberals appear to be stuck 
in the past, afraid to consider new approaches to problems they have 
been unable to solve with the same-old same-old.

"Generous heart" - Much of the liberal agenda seems to be associated 
with ways to keep the poor dependent on government handouts, rather 
than providing them with true opportunities to improve their stations 
in life.

"As opposed to aristocratic" - generally, liberal congressmen & 
senators don't appear to be any less rich or less haughty than 
conservatives.

"Popular" - Texans have been voting 59% Republican, but the Democrats 
have been doing everything they can to assure that the voting 
districts  send a 60% Democratic delegation to Congress.
richard
response 433 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:20 UTC 2006

Nearly three million people in Texas voted for Kerry.  The GOP in Texas, under
Tom Delay, have resorted to highly unethical gerrymandering to steal
previously democratic districts and create more GOP seats.  That has nothing
to do with the democrats, they are not responsible for that.
richard
response 434 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:28 UTC 2006

liberals are more open minded than conservatives, because many conservatives
base their political beliefs on their religious beliefs, which mean they have
less room to compromise.  This is why republican presidents win landslides
in this country, not democrat presidential candidates.  Because democrats are
more willing to be open minded and consider candidates from the other party.

rcurl
response 435 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:47 UTC 2006

Re #432: KLG is, as usual, avoiding the question:

Stop avoiding questions and "give some examples of political liberals not 
following the definition of liberal."

nharmon
response 436 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 21:57 UTC 2006

> give some examples of political liberals not following the definition 
> of liberal.

"[America] would be better without Rush Limbaugh and his 20 million 
listeners[...] I don t have to my house for dinner anyone who s not pro-
choice, pro-gun control [...] pro-campaign finance reform"
--Eric Alterman, interview with the Los Angeles Times, March 2003

Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 expose that 
political liberal's closed-mindedness for the truth.

Want more?
richard
response 437 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:07 UTC 2006

but Moore wasn't close minded in that movie, I mean he DID go to visit NRA
head Charlton Heston at his house, to get Heston's point of view   
richard
response 438 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:17 UTC 2006

A liberal sees life as open to interpretation

A conservative sees life as dictated by the scriptures, and thus CLOSED to
interpretation.
gull
response 439 of 526: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 22:21 UTC 2006

Re resp:396: I think you could use the same argument to say the NRA is 
an inherently Republican organization.  I confess I often feel they 
are.  Their "enemies list" is predominantly Democrats, and while they 
occasionally endorse a Democrat, they rarely throw their weight behind 
a Democrat's campaign the way they often will with Republicans. 
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