response 413 of 561:

Sep 16 18:51 UTC 1996

True, the site is not available, but as a FYI, current rates for a _finshed
wall_ (construction, paint, one electric outlet, door framing) is between $50
and $60 per running foot.  At Plymouth Rd there were to have been _two walls_
required, of about 12ft and 14ft.  26ft x $50/ft = $1300.  $700-750 to do it
yourself is, at least reasonable.

I'm still looking at another lead.  There may be a need to put up a wall or
partition there as well, so this discussion is not totally off track.  In the
meantime, I'd opt for valeries last possibility.

response 415 of 561:

Sep 17 07:05 UTC 1996

The Red Cross is aware of our problem, but is still trying to decide if they
can free up the space, and still waiting to hear from the city whether they
would allow us to inhabit their basement. I am disappointed to say the least
in how long this is taking to resolve. I am much less happy with the Red Cross
than I was a month ago. I am getting less and less optimistic that we can
count on them. They haven't said no, yet, but I am glad we are looking at
these other alternatives.

response 417 of 561:

Sep 18 08:28 UTC 1996

for one, i am not inthe least disappointed in the miniscule amount of time
it is taking for grex to find a competent home - particualrily given the
dictated and forced circumstances. no american entity should be dictated
to *jump* if some irrational borg snaps its digits absent some imminent
threat to the sanctity and solice of others.

response 419 of 561:

Sep 20 01:52 UTC 1996

The offer is a kind one, but I suspect many people would be uncomfortable
housing Grex in any individual's home.  Though maybe it would be worth
considering.

We've been doing more wheeling and dealing on another site.  I'm not going
to name names at this point because I don't have any idea if that's OK or not.
Still, I think the broad outlines should be discussed in public.

We would rent a nice room of our own in a nice building.  It really meets all
our requirements, but the rent is high.  It would be gradually esculating from
$210 a month to $285 a month during the first year (averaging at $247 a month
for the whole year) and then be $295 a month for the subsequent year.  This
includes electricity, so it compares to about $25+$80 in our current location.

The big attraction is that there is an ISP in the building that would give
us a 112k hardwire internet conection for $175 a month, which is way lower
than the commerical rate.  Since we would be directly connected to them, it
would be a more reliable link than the current phone-line connection we have,
and it would be four times faster than the current internet connection.

Basically, I don't think we can afford this right now.  We'd be gambling that
we could get more donations with a faster link, enough to cover the
considerable increase in costs.

More options are still being explored.

response 421 of 561:

Sep 20 04:39 UTC 1996

I don't think we can afford it either.  I also don't see the point in being
able to afford it.  I'm not convinced that, compared to our other options,
it gains us anything useful.

response 425 of 561:

Sep 21 11:23 UTC 1996

Anyone ever thought checking out some of the office space out on telgraph
rd, in taylor, mi? there always office space out there.... right around 
where the red barron arcade is at? know where I'm talking about.... that's
where gateway is at..
just a thought.

response 427 of 561:

Sep 21 12:56 UTC 1996

I know where Red Baron is, but to repeat myself, we have already
committed to keeping Grex in Ann Arbor.

response 429 of 561:

Sep 22 04:56 UTC 1996

I'd like to know when the move will be done so I can help.  (Besides I really
wanna see the dungeon before it's not the dungeon.)
;)

response 431 of 561:

Sep 22 16:24 UTC 1996

I don't expect the move will require a lot of people.  With any luck it will
be a matter of loading hte computer and miscellaneous stuff into a truck,
hauling it across town, and unloading it at the other end.  Dungeon quarters
are pretty cramped and hordes of hands would just get in each other's way.

On the other hand, a few strong backs would be good, and sightseers wouldn't
be too big a problem.  There certainly will be no reason at all left to keep
Grex's location slightly obscure.

response 433 of 561:

Sep 23 13:38 UTC 1996

That's true for both of the top-ranked spots right now.

response 435 of 561:

Sep 26 20:00 UTC 1996

So what has been decided? :')