response 41 of 110:

Sep 2 16:18 UTC 2003

And we're playing right into his plans to get more attention.

response 43 of 110:

Sep 3 02:25 UTC 2003

I guess i don't really have any right to say anything as I am not a member,
but I agree with what the staff has done.  If polytarp forwards his email to
staff@, then he deserves to be locked out of his account.  I would not like
it too much if someone started forwarding all their email to m.

response 45 of 110:

Sep 3 03:59 UTC 2003

re #44:  That doesn't stop you...

response 49 of 110:

Sep 5 00:34 UTC 2003

Re. 47: I promise to not forward all of my mail to staff again, even though
my mail will surely continue to contain spam.

Thanks, popcorn!

response 51 of 110:

Sep 7 05:10 UTC 2003

Just to test out this Grex policy of forwarding e-mails and the like, just
yesterday afternoon I created a .forward file in naftee's home directory and
placed my e-mail address in there.  I then IMMEDIATELY afterwards sent a mail
to staff requesting that I stop receiving tons of spam from naftee@grex.org.
Staff (Valerie Mates) replied, stating:

I've turned it off, and reset the password for the naftee account.  It's 
Grex policy that in this situation, we'll assume that you can have control

of the account if you'd like (since people only forward their e-mail to 
their own other accounts).  Please let me know if you'd like the password 
for naftee sent to you.


This above message is very disturbing, and raises some important questions
that polytarp/dah hinted at and that  I would like answered.  Firstly, what
if I had purposely tried to harass a certain user by forwarding all my mail
to him/her?  That person would have immediate access to my old account and
my password, not to mention my files, etc.  Or, what if I had NOT forwarded
all my mail, but merely the spam that I had been recieving? Would staff had
checked this (procmail)?  I should think not. And finally, why was this all
done WITHOUT a warning? For example, it would have been trivial for the staff
to have removed the .forward (or .procmailrc , whatever) and sent a mail to
that user, asking them to stop, informing them of the consequences of their
actions, etc. etc.  I believe the staff does something like this for deleting
large files owned by a user. Actually, there's precedent above: Valerie Mates
did say she would return polytarp's account to him if he stopped sending mail
to staff. HMMM, shouldn't this be done BEFORE the account gets reset, the
files modified, etc. etc. ?

Also, please give me back my naftee account.  I apologise if all this has
caused any inconveniences, and strongly encourage the staff to look at  these
problems a little more closely.

response 53 of 110:

Sep 7 12:48 UTC 2003

Since can't randomly create .forward files in other people's accounts, I don't
see where the problem might be.  More specifically, I don't see how you can
get your account taken away without doing something of ill intent.

response 55 of 110:

Sep 7 17:08 UTC 2003

re 52 I forwarded the mail to myself because I didn't feel like losing an
account.  That has nothing to do with it.

re 53 I wasn't expecting it to be taken away, I was testing a hypothetical
situation.

re 54 Of course they don't give a warning in deleting big files, but what they
DON'T do is reset your password and send it to an alternate email address.
You all missed the point completey. The fact is that changing an account
password on the system and sending it to an offsite person is a very dangerous
thing, and should not be taken lightly.  If anothe staffer wanted to approach
this problem, I think they should have taken a closer look at the creation
date of the file and the date of the e-mail, and they would have clearly seen
that something fishy had been going on.  This should be the MINIMUM required
care if a root is going to do something as drastic as changing account
passwords.  I find it crass that the staff won't even consider deleting the
file first and giving a message, but just change the password.  And I won't
state again that this could be a privacy violation.  Read my response above.

Another funny thing.  When I entered party last night as asddsa, it was
automatically assumed by our good friend krj that I haddone something wrong,
that I had pissed people off, etc. etc.  Maybe that's why certain users are
so afraid of posting their opinions in the bbs.  I can't say I blame them.

response 57 of 110:

Sep 7 17:23 UTC 2003

I'm sure glad you're not my mom.

response 59 of 110:

Sep 7 19:17 UTC 2003

Regarding #56; Why?  Are you sure you want him driving?

response 61 of 110:

Sep 7 22:36 UTC 2003

(Is "contrained" actually a word, or are we having trouble
spelling "contraindicated"?)

response 63 of 110:

Sep 7 22:55 UTC 2003

-bash-2.05b$ ssh polytarp@cyberspace.org
Warning: Server lies about size of server public key: actual size is 767 bits
vs
. announced 768.
Warning: This may be due to an old implementation of ssh.
polytarp@cyberspace.org's password:
Permission denied, please try again.
polytarp@cyberspace.org's password:
Permission denied, please try again.
polytarp@cyberspace.org's password:


ARE YOU GOING TO RECOUP ME MY ACCOUNT OR NOT?!

response 65 of 110:

Sep 8 01:46 UTC 2003

OR MINE?!
login as: naftee
Sent username "naftee"
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied
naftee@grex.org's password:
Access denied