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richard
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response 405 of 526:
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Mar 6 18:01 UTC 2006 |
college campuses are not "heavily dominated by liberals", that is another myth
that shows klg is being brainwashed by the fox news channel. In fact college
campus administrations often reflect the politics of those parts of the
country. Southern campuses have conservative administrations as often as not,
Ivy Leagues liberal administrations.
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rcurl
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response 406 of 526:
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Mar 6 18:04 UTC 2006 |
Thank you for the opening to show how mistaken you are, KLG:
"Many universities, under pressure to respond to the concerns of those who
are the objects of hate, have adopted codes or policies prohibiting speech
that offends any group based on race, gender, ethnicity, religion or
sexual orientation.
"That's the wrong response, well-meaning or not. The First Amendment to
the United States Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its
content. Speech codes adopted by government-financed state colleges and
universities amount to government censorship, in violation of the
Constitution. And the ACLU believes that all campuses should adhere to
First Amendment principles because academic freedom is a bedrock of
education in a free society."
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12808pub19941231.html
Now, give us the details about that "right to rent" issue instead of just
spewing accusations.
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richard
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response 407 of 526:
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Mar 6 18:06 UTC 2006 |
klg just answer this question:
"Do you believe that an american citizen's right to free speech ought to be
protected no matter how offensive it is what that citizen is saying?"
yes or no?
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richard
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response 408 of 526:
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Mar 6 18:50 UTC 2006 |
The ACLU defends freedom and liberty.
The ACLU agrees with Barry Goldwater:
"Extremism in pursuit of liberty is not a vice"
:)
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crimson
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response 409 of 526:
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Mar 6 19:23 UTC 2006 |
While I agree, it depends on how you define "extremism," "liberty," and
"vice."
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klg
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response 410 of 526:
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Mar 6 20:26 UTC 2006 |
Oh, RW. Is that why Larry Summers resigned?
Is the ACLU rushing around the country filing suits against speech
codes?
"Academia, Stuck To the Left
"By George Will--Townhall.com--11/28/04
Republicans Outnumbered In Academia, Studies Find, New York Times, Nov.
18
"WASHINGTON -- Oh, well, if studies say so. The great secret is out:
liberals dominate campuses. Coming soon: ``Moon Implicated in Tides,
Studies Find.''
"One study of 1,000 professors finds that Democrats outnumber
Republicans at least seven to one in the humanities and social
sciences. That imbalance, more than double what it was three decades
ago, is intensifying because younger professors are more uniformly
liberal than the older cohort that is retiring.
"Another study, of voter registrations records, including those of
professors in engineering and the hard sciences, found nine Democrats
for every Republican at Berkeley and Stanford. Among younger
professors, there were 183 Democrats, six Republicans.
"But we essentially knew this even before The American Enterprise
magazine reported in 2002 of examinations of voting records in various
college communities. Some findings about professors registered with the
two major parties or with liberal or conservative minor parties:
"Cornell: 166 liberals, 6 conservatives.
"Stanford: 151 liberals, 17 conservatives.
"Colorado: 116 liberals, 5 conservatives.
"UCLA: 141 liberals, 9 conservatives.
"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that in 2004,
of the top five institutions in terms of employee per capita
contributions to presidential candidates, the third, fourth and fifth
were Time Warner, Goldman Sachs and Microsoft. The top two were the
California university system and Harvard, both of which gave about 19
times more money to John Kerry than to George Bush. . . ."
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jep
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response 411 of 526:
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Mar 6 20:48 UTC 2006 |
The ACLU aggressively defends the broadest interpretations of all
rights? Like the 2nd amendment?
I know the standard response to this standard accusation, but I don't
accept it. The ACLU picks and chooses the rights it supports.
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marcvh
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response 412 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:12 UTC 2006 |
Out of curiousity, are there any organizations which you support and
you feel do a better job of supporting all rights? The ACLJ? The
NRA? The SPLC? Amnesty International? Anyone?
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richard
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response 413 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:15 UTC 2006 |
The ACLU defended Larry Flynt, publisher of Hustler, in the famous case
where Jerry Falwell was suing him for slander that ended up in the Supreme
Court.
Years later, the ACLU defended JERRY FALWELL in a case where the state of
Virginia said churches couldn't incorporate.
They won both cases.
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richard
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response 414 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:17 UTC 2006 |
in fact the ACLU has defended many many religious organizations. Freedom of
Religion is a protected freedom you know.
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nharmon
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response 415 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:27 UTC 2006 |
I like the work the NRA and SPLC do. In fact, I subscribe to
SPLC's "Intelligence Report". In the NRA's case, they do a good job
staying non-partisan through endorsing democratic candidates over
republican candidates in cases where the democrate is stronger on 2nd
amendment rights. John Dingell is one such candidate.
The SPLC also are not afraid of exposing the KKK, skinheads and radical
environmental extremists for the terrorists they are.
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nharmon
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response 416 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:29 UTC 2006 |
Another thing I like about the NRA: They do none of their own studies.
They rely totally upon unbiased third party studies such as those from
the Justice Department.
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richard
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response 417 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:29 UTC 2006 |
see now the NRA takes the broadest possible interpretation of the second
amendment. When the NRA does that its all right, but when the ACLU makes
broad interpretations, its called extremist. Its ridiculous.
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slynne
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response 418 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:30 UTC 2006 |
Hmmm...interesting.
Let's assume that the article in resp:410 is true (It very well may be
but I still have some doubt because of the source). It brings up some
interesting thoughts.
Are there more liberal college professors because conservatives are
discriminated against?
Are liberals more likely to choose acedemia than conservatives?
College professors are highly educated. Are non-college professors with
simiar education levels also more likely to be on the left? And if so,
does that mean that the more education you have, the more likely you
are to be progressive in your thought?
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richard
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response 419 of 526:
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Mar 6 21:31 UTC 2006 |
The NRA also openly contributes to and backs candidats. The ACLU has never
and will never endorse candidates for political office. Because the NRA is
a distinctly political organization while the ACLU is not.
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rcurl
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response 420 of 526:
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Mar 6 22:08 UTC 2006 |
I think you hit it, Lynne: "the more education you have, the more likely you
are to be progressive in your thought".
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bru
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response 421 of 526:
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Mar 6 22:43 UTC 2006 |
rcurl, will you please stop submitting this stupid and ridiculous definition!
Re #396: "more liberal" is good. Consider
liberal (adj). 1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart;
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3.
Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as in
religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, progressive.
illiberal (adj.). 1. Not liberal; not generous in giving; parsimonious. 2.
Narrow-minded. 3. Lacking breadth of culture; hence, vulgar.
All it does is make you appear illeberal and vulgar.
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keesan
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response 422 of 526:
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Mar 6 22:56 UTC 2006 |
Bru, could you please use a spell checker? And if you don't like Rane's
dictionary, submit a definition from another dictionary.
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bru
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response 423 of 526:
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Mar 7 00:42 UTC 2006 |
It doesn't matter what dictionary you use. The definition does not apply to
teh group or the party in question. Not all liberals have a generous heart,
I doubt even most of the do.
and just because I am not a member of a liberal party, that does not make me
narrow minded or lacking breadth of culture.
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marcvh
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response 424 of 526:
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Mar 7 00:44 UTC 2006 |
Nope, it's just a coincidence.
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rcurl
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response 425 of 526:
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Mar 7 07:06 UTC 2006 |
I think the definition fits most political liberals, and is a misfit with
most right-wingers. I post it when people attack liberals - to make manifest
what they are attacking. How do you think liberals got the tag? Because,
simply, they are liberal.
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bru
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response 426 of 526:
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Mar 7 13:15 UTC 2006 |
I do not think it fits most political liberals I have met.
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klg
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response 427 of 526:
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Mar 7 17:18 UTC 2006 |
Curl's definition (and comments) shows a clear problem with liberals -
they tend to be overly self-righteous and overly critical/intolerant of
those with differing philosophies.
The correlation of more "higher" education with greater liberalism is
likely a manifestation of inbreeding.
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rcurl
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response 428 of 526:
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Mar 7 18:09 UTC 2006 |
Please give some examples of political liberals not following the definition
of liberal.
Re #427: ROTFLOL!! Who are the ridiculously self-righteous and intolerant?
Right wingers. They define the traits.
The correlation of more education with greater liberalism is due to a better
understanding of human nature and a greater tolerance for self determination.
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richard
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response 429 of 526:
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Mar 7 18:49 UTC 2006 |
Its not just a correlation between more education and liberalism, there is
also a correlation very similar between more education and atheism. Studies
consistently show that the highest percentage of the most devoutly religious
are among those who are not college graduates. Similarly, organized religion
does best in those parts of the world where the people are the least educated
or literate.
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