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gull
response 40 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 00:39 UTC 2007

Re resp:38: Well, audiophiles have always been a minority.  And a lot of
them are still insisting on vinyl.
tsty
response 41 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 03:16 UTC 2007

i haerd that rcord cmpanies are no longer ot suport  the    cd  format
as of jan 08 .. is this ture?
mcnally
response 42 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 03:36 UTC 2007

 re #41:  That's not even remotely plausible.  January 2008 is only about
 three weeks away at this point.  What would they replace it with?

 I suppose it's possible that by "no longer support the CD format" whatever
 source you read that in means that record companies will no longer bother
 ensuring their releases (especially the copy-protected ones) will play in
 all spec-compliant CD players.  They already crossed that Rubicon a while
 ago, though..
krj
response 43 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 16:16 UTC 2007

I'd be curious, ts, if you can find the source on that.  I follow
music biz news about as much as any consumer, and I have heard 
nothing of the sort.  The closest I can come up with is widespread
reports that the major chain retailers, such as Wal-Mart, Target,
Best Buy, and maybe even Borders, are going to cut 30% or more of 
their CD space after the holidays, which would be January 2008.
 
And DRM embedded on CD appears to be a completely dead issue for
normal consumer releases.  There may still be some DRM software 
applied to promo/review copies to try to control early file-sharing
leaks on new releases, but I believe that the four major labels
have dropped all copy-protection efforts on consumer CDs.
There were two things driving that decision:  
  (1) the messy fallout from the "Sony Rootkit" DRM; 
  (2) the labels finally were forced to accept that a
large number of CD purchasers intend to put the music on their iPods,
an operation which was obstructed by most of the on-CD DRM systems.

<krj realizes that the second paragraph is probably incomprehensible
 to anyone who hasn't been following the "Music War" saga. >
gull
response 44 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 17:20 UTC 2007

Oddly, the movie industry doesn't seem to have learned from the music
industry's tribulations.  Copy-protected DVDs are starting to appear.
gull
response 45 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 17:20 UTC 2007

(Copy protected in ways other than CSS encryption, I mean.  They're
being designed to make it hard to copy the encrypted VOB file from the
CD to a computer.)
hera
response 46 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 17:36 UTC 2007

Who cares? The movie industry is greedy. After they have you pay to see the
movie in the theatre, they want to pick your back pocket for the DVD.
krj
response 47 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 18:07 UTC 2007

Gull:  Bring us some references if you can?  I'm so saturated in 
music-biz coverage that I am not keeping up with much of what is 
happening in Videoland.
gull
response 48 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 18:24 UTC 2007

I don't have any general news sources, just complaints on the MythTV
forum.  (MythTV has a feature that allows "ripping" DVDs to files on a
hard disk, so you can view them more conveniently, just like you can rip
CDs to your hard disk to listen to them with greater ease.)

Apparently some DVD releases now have large numbers of intentional bad
sectors.  Consumer DVD players ignore these and keep right on going, but
DVD-ROM drives spend a lot of time retrying them.
krj
response 49 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 18:34 UTC 2007

Ah, same sort of trick that was done by Cactus Data Shield, among
others, for the CD market.  

Incidentally, I don't have the link immediately available, but 
the expectation is that DVD sales are going to finish down 4%
for 2007, compared to the previous year.  This will be the first
decline in DVD sales ever.   I think these are USA numbers.
mcnally
response 50 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 20:22 UTC 2007

 4% of the market sounds like a plausible estimate for Blu-Ray and
 HD-DVD market share (combined) at this point, give or take a bit.
tsty
response 51 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 03:52 UTC 2007

hmmm    a   0  or a  1  ?
tsty
response 52 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 11:02 UTC 2007

re 43 ... um, i;ll atake a look for yuo.. it was absorbed in passing so
i might ahv emis-something-or-othered the news.
krj
response 53 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 19:11 UTC 2007

This one is an ugly URL, sorry:

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxNjcmZm
diZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMjc5OTMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3

It's a report on New Jersey-based small CD labels which are
encountering more and more difficulty.  The main label profiled in the
story is Shanachie, which handles a great deal of Celtic folk and
reggae.  Indie rock label Bar/None is also in distress.  In contrast,
metal label Eclipse is doing well; they get more from iTunes sales per
copy than from physical CD sales.

Shanachie says sales are down 20% over the last five years.  The loss
of Tower Records and small retailers has been a blow.  Borders is no
longer welcoming to small indie labels; they are demanding a $2/copy
"co-op" payment to stock the discs in their store.  (I did not know
that Borders had moved to demanding a stocking fee from labels; I
thought that was only a policy at Trans World.)

Shanachie used to be able to work some with Wal-Mart (!!) but Wal-Mart
is now streamlining their CD selection and Shanachie and other
specialty labels are now mostly frozen out.

-----

The Nielsen Soundscan numbers for CD sales are turning into a rout
at the end of the year.  These are gleaned from the week-by-week 
sales reports from Billboard and no one story has yet assembled the 
threads:
 
In early November, off the top of my head, year-to-date album sales
were down 14% from 2006.

For Thanksgiving week, including the famous Black Friday shopping 
day, the downturn accelerated: sales for that one week were down 
18% vs. that week year ago.

For the next week, the downturn accelerated again:  sales for the one
week were down 23% vs. year-ago.  That's the most recent sales report.

Those numbers are for album sales, defined as [CDs + downloads sold 
in an album-bunch].  Including single track downloads probably makes
the number look a small bit better, but this is still awful for the
labels and for retailers.   The rarely-reported numbers on physical 
CD sales are usually -5% from the commonly cited album sales number,
so that would speculatively put last week's CD sales as -28% compared
to the same week last year.
hera
response 54 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 19:49 UTC 2007

Who cares? If your music is good, people will be begging for it.
tsty
response 55 of 55: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 20:53 UTC 2007

re 53 ... jhere ios the shlrot non-ugly version:
  
   http://url.rexroof.com/16616
  
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