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dah
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response 4 of 36:
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Sep 28 14:21 UTC 2003 |
Why are sickos always named Humbert.
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happyboy
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response 5 of 36:
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Sep 28 17:20 UTC 2003 |
re0 tldr.
re 3 & 4 AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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keesan
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response 6 of 36:
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Sep 28 17:26 UTC 2003 |
I have stage IV lymphoma. Maybe there are different types of stages?
Mine is quite treatable.
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rcurl
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response 7 of 36:
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Sep 28 21:11 UTC 2003 |
I did some searching on the web to try to find why suicide itself,
assisted or not, is considered illegal in most countries. I didn't find
any real legal reasons, and there are very few serious treatments of the
question. One I found is
http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/300/cdn_medical_association/cmaj/vol-1
59/
issue-3/0239.htm
This article mostly addresses attitudes toward suicide, which seem to be
the basis for the condemnation of suicide, but not for its illegality.
The only direct statement for its illegality is "The act of self-killing
was considered criminal because it was perceived as transgressing the
moral authority of God and the righteous feelings of humankind". This is
hardly a reason that should hold any weight in our secular legal system.
It is my opinion that suicide itself should be decriminalized, as it is
not a matter with which criminal law should be concerned. Assisted
suicide, however, is different, as the motives of another besides the
suicide can enter. The issue then is to make suicide the absolute choice
of the suicides themselves, with "assistance" only in the form of carrying
out the suicides wishes.
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jep
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response 8 of 36:
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Sep 29 01:39 UTC 2003 |
I can think of any number of ways that suicide could be encouraged for
the terminally ill. "You're costing us money and it can never do any
good, and we can't afford it." "The kids are scared of you." "You're
worthless." If suicide and assisted suicide were legal, I would hope
that driving someone toward it could be discouraged.
Also, non-terminally ill people could be lied to for the gain of
others. (Terminally ill people, of course, could also be lied to; for
example, a doctor who likes the income telling someone they've got a
better chance of survival than they really do.) Those things should
be discouraged, but I don't see how to prove that they've happened.
It might be a good thing to have restrictions on why and how someone
could kill himself, or assist in the suicide of another. Mentally ill
people should probably be treated, not killed off. I'd prefer not to
have people pushed off buildings towering above busy sidewalks.
I am in favor of allowing terminally ill people to end their lives,
too, as long as it's their free and fully informed choice. I think
properly ensuring that it is their choice is highly tricky. I don't
know how to be completely sure of that, and so I hope the lawmakers
and judges proceed very slowly and carefully when it comes to
legalizing suicide or the assisting of suicide.
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fitz
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response 9 of 36:
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Sep 29 12:59 UTC 2003 |
A plausible reason for sanctions against suicide is that it gives government
agents a statutory pretext for intervening.
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rcurl
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response 10 of 36:
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Sep 29 18:23 UTC 2003 |
Yes, it does do that, but the legal basis for the pretext seems lacking.
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klg
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response 11 of 36:
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Sep 30 03:02 UTC 2003 |
What was that story (on CNN.com) today about a city (in FL?) that has
voted to criminalize a proposed "concert" during which someone was
supposed to commit suicide on stage. Any of you sick-os planning to
attend that?
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rcurl
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response 12 of 36:
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Sep 30 03:13 UTC 2003 |
I would think you'd be planning on going, since you approve of the death
penalty, and only sicks minds do.
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richard
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response 13 of 36:
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Sep 30 06:00 UTC 2003 |
A couple of years ago, famed sixties guru Timothy Leary, who was dying of
cancer, wanted to kill himself online. He wanted to wait until one of his
last days, when his body was ravaged with cancer, and then get on a party
chatroom and talk with young people and then take a drug cocktail and expire
on-line. It was his life and this was how he wanted to die. He was even
going to have a videocam hooked up to his computer, so people could go to his
site and watch him die. But he got threats and officials said they'd shut
his site down. So he didn't end up dying online like he wanted. But why
shouldn't he have had that choice? Leary was going to die anyway, so if he
wanted to die in a chatroom, with his image seen over the internet, wasn't
that his choice
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tod
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response 14 of 36:
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Sep 30 13:18 UTC 2003 |
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other
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response 15 of 36:
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Sep 30 13:44 UTC 2003 |
Right goals, dead wrong way to achieve them... <bleah>
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gull
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response 16 of 36:
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Sep 30 14:27 UTC 2003 |
I think I'd be in favor of assisted suicide in some situations, but I
think the examples in #0 and #14 are the wrong way to go about it.
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tod
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response 17 of 36:
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Sep 30 15:29 UTC 2003 |
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scott
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response 18 of 36:
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Sep 30 16:35 UTC 2003 |
Hey, if people don't like this band's approach they won't buy their products,
which will result in them going out of business. When I put on my "free
market" goggles it all makes perfect sense.
Of course those free-market Republicans can't help but meddle in things, so
they'll try to shut this down.
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tod
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response 19 of 36:
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Sep 30 17:55 UTC 2003 |
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goose
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response 20 of 36:
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Sep 30 18:50 UTC 2003 |
GG Allin claimed on several occasions that he was going to off himself
onstage, usually at a halloween show. Instead he OD'ed on horse after a show
with no one to watch.
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rcurl
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response 21 of 36:
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Sep 30 19:05 UTC 2003 |
I think this much more distasteful than inherent illegal, if the suicide
is totally volunteer, without coercion of any kind. This just means
that I think suicide is a private matter, and it is "suspicious" if done
for public consumption, especially if not to make a "statement" (as has
been done by some Buddhist monks, if I recall correctly).
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tod
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response 22 of 36:
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Sep 30 19:08 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 23 of 36:
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Sep 30 20:31 UTC 2003 |
Voluntarily?
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other
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response 24 of 36:
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Sep 30 22:33 UTC 2003 |
Ok. An alcoholic mouse.
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scott
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response 25 of 36:
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Sep 30 22:41 UTC 2003 |
That or a couple hoser brothers looking to get some free beer from Elsinore
Brewery.
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tod
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response 26 of 36:
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Sep 30 22:42 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 27 of 36:
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Sep 30 23:07 UTC 2003 |
this group also pureed a lave rat on stage. Wher was PETA!!!
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tod
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response 28 of 36:
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Sep 30 23:22 UTC 2003 |
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