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polygon
response 395 of 536: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 21:10 UTC 2003

I was unaware of any dispute over what the vote totals were in Alabama
in 1960.  Rather, there is a question as to how to interpret those votes.

People think of voting for president in the same terms that they think of
a simple local election for mayor or sheriff.  But presidential elections
don't work that way, and the further back you go in history, the less well
they match that model.
gull
response 396 of 536: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 22:00 UTC 2003

Re #394: Incompetence does not respect party lines. ;>
willcome
response 397 of 536: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 07:40 UTC 2003

Yeah, you're telling me.  I called up this escargot service for some sea
whores, and they sent me a fucking fish.
gull
response 398 of 536: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 14:54 UTC 2003

'Fat Tony, I thought you said Troy McLure was dead!'
"That's not what I said.  I said he sleeps with the fishes."
polygon
response 399 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 02:19 UTC 2003

Conservative columnist endorses Dean over Bush
http://sierratimes.com/03/12/05/ar_carlworden.htm

From The Sierra Times, "An Internet Publication for Real Americans"

                   President Howard Dean
                      Carl F. Worden

    When I wrote, "Another One-Termer Like Dad?" several months ago, I
    began my treatise with the words, "If the Democrats play their cards
    right, and if President George W. Bush extends the federal Assault
    Weapon Ban that was signed into law by former President Bill Clinton,
    then I am going to predict that George W. Bush will be a one-term
    war-hero president just like his father." 

    Well, whether by hook or crook, and whether intended or not, the
    Democrats are playing their cards right. That article and my
    predictions were right on the money, even to extent that I foretold,
    "If the Democrats do something truly stupid, like run a raving liberal
    like Al Gore or Hillary Clinton for president, then Bush 43 has maybe
    an even chance. But if the Democrats run a moderate, southern pro-gun
    candidate who promises not to use the Constitution as toilet paper,
    then I can predict with complete confidence that a Democrat, or
    possibly even a third-party candidate, will occupy the White House
    after the next presidential election." 

    Get ready for President Howard Dean. No he's not a moderate, southern
    pro-gun candidate. Instead, he's a former Vermont governor from the
    north. Everything else falls right into line: He is a moderate
    Democrat who is also a pro-gun candidate who promises not to use the
    Constitution as toilet paper. 

    Dean is adamantly against the war in Iraq. Dean is conservatively
    pro-gun.  Dean is soft on abortion and he is a moderate Democrat
    socialist to the extent that he believes government is responsible for
    taking care of those who are either mentally or physically unable to
    care for themselves. In that light, he's the perfect candidate to take
    residence in the White House following the coming November elections. 

    Unless Howard Dean screws up in some spectacular way, or unless Dean
    dies in another suspicious airplane accident, Howard Dean will be the
    next president of the United States. Mark my words.

    Dean is the perfect candidate for election in 2004. George W. Bush has
    divided the Republican Party into two distinct groups. They comprise
    the phony and fascist Neo-Conservatives who mistakenly embraced the
    perpetually wrong philosophy that the ends justify the means, ala
    Clinton. To them, if Clinton could get away with it, why shouldn.t
    they?  Their error has manifested itself via a disastrous war on Iraq
    that was never constitutionally declared by Congress, and the
    blatantly and irrefutably unconstitutional Patriot Act. 

    Both the moderate Democrats and the true American Christian
    conservatives have found themselves in surprising and stunning
    agreement on these issues.

    If you leave out religious conviction ala the abortion debate, which
    is entirely the province of the judiciary at this time anyway, and
    hone in on constitutional principle only, moderate Democrats and
    right-wing, true Christian conservatives, are in unexpected agreement: 
    We have yet another Viet Nam on our hands, and our kids are being
    unnecessarily killed as a result of it. 

    History will prove those kids died in vain, just like all those 58,000
    kids killed in Viet Nam: Viet Nam is still a communist nation, and we
    have reinstated full diplomatic and trade relations with them. In that
    light, every one of those kids died for NOTHING, and the same will be
    said of those being killed right now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The true American conservatives who once commanded the Republican
    Party, are horrified by what Bush has done, and many of them,
    including myself, have vowed never to support Bush again, even if we
    have to vote for a third party candidate that has little chance of
    winning. 

    To the truly committed, truly Christian conservative, George W. Bush
    is a traitor, a completely phony Christian, and just another
    politician who placed his left hand on the Bible, raised his right
    hand to God, and swore to uphold and defend a Constitution he had
    every intention of violating -- if the "situation" warranted it. 

    If there is one thing that true conservatives share, it is their solid
    and unwavering conviction to do what is both lawful and right, both
    under the law, and in the eyes of our God. In that light, our current
    president is woefully unfaithful, and in fact, treasonous to our
    Constitution. 

    A president who personally declares a United States citizen an enemy
    combatant, ineligible for legal counsel or to face his accusers and
    their evidence against him, even though he was arrested on U.S. soil
    and never carried a weapon against U.S. forces or their allies, is a
    domestic enemy of the people of the United States. True Christian
    conservatives understood that the moment he issued the order. 

    True Americans with solid constitutional convictions were outraged by
    that, and they immediately knew they had a problem in the White House. 
    I don't know what Howard Dean's religious convictions, if any, hold
    to.  But it doesn't matter in this case. Here we have a pro-gun
    candidate who is against this disastrous war in Iraq, and he is a
    candidate intent on principle to uphold he personal convictions. I
    like him, and for the first time in my life, I will vote for a
    Democrat, Howard Dean, to be my next president next November. 

    If he's still alive. 

    Carl F. Worden
klg
response 400 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 03:48 UTC 2003

Same "Carl Worden" as mentioned in this 2002 item the Anti-Defamation 
League did on "militias?"  If so, nice try, but no cigar.


The Militia Movement 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Origins: Mid-to-late 1993
Prominent leaders: John Trochmann (Montana), Ron Gaydosh (Michigan), 
Randy Miller (Texas), Charlie Puckett (Kentucky), Mark Koernke 
(Michigan), Carl Worden (Oregon), Gib Ingwer (Ohio)
Prominent groups: Kentucky State Militia, Ohio Unorganized Militia 
Assistance and Advisory Committee, Southeastern Ohio Defense Force, 
Michigan Militia (two factions using the same name), Southern Indiana 
Regional Militia, Southern California High Desert Militia-and many 
others
Outreach: Gun shows, shortwave radio, newsletters, the Internet
Ideology: Anti-government and conspiracy-oriented in nature; prominent 
focus on firearms
Prominent militia arrests: Multiple members of the following groups 
have been arrested and convicted, usually on weapons, explosives, or 
conspiracy charges: Oklahoma Constitutional Militia, Georgia Republic 
Militia, Arizona Viper Militia, Washington State Militia, West 
Virginia Mountaineer Militia, Twin Cities Free Militia, North American 
Militia, San Joaquin County Militia.
 
gull
response 401 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 14:32 UTC 2003

When you get wayyyy out on the right, out past most of the GOP and into
the libertarian fringe, political party loyalties get hazy and don't
work quite the way you'd normally expect.  That's why I find right-wing
political shortwave broadcasts so fascinating.
tod
response 402 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 18:43 UTC 2003

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gull
response 403 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 19:41 UTC 2003

And having their silver-amalgam fillings removed.
happyboy
response 404 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 20:43 UTC 2003

haw!  you people have NO IDEA.


/closes the curtains, shuts off the light
 & hunkers down with bru to lissen to the
 police scanner while cleaning our guns
slynne
response 405 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 21:59 UTC 2003

I'm scared
goose
response 406 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 23:49 UTC 2003

RE#403 -- Could you elaborate? (I thought silver-amalgam fillngs were a good
thing to have replaced..)
klg
response 407 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 17:10 UTC 2003

Algore has issued his presidential endorsement.  "I've seen a candidate 
who has what it takes to reach out to the independent, mainstream 
Americans who will make the difference . . . particularly in the 
South," Gore said.  "He's going to send George Bush packing and bring 
the Democratic Party home."


(It didn't seem to help a lot when he said that about Michael Dukakis 
in 1988.  Any reason to think it'll be more use to Dean this time 
around?------By the way, at least in 1988 he didn't stab his loyal, 
former runningmate in the back.)
twenex
response 408 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 17:19 UTC 2003

Be sure to put that in Al Gora.
gull
response 409 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 18:42 UTC 2003

Re resp:406: A lot of fringe types believe that the mercury in
silver-amalgam fillings is dangerous.  They also won't get vaccinated
because of mercury-based preservatives used in some vaccines.  I'm not
aware of any mainstream medical science backing up those claims.
tod
response 410 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 19:24 UTC 2003

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klg
response 411 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 20:37 UTC 2003

Shucks!
richard
response 412 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 20:47 UTC 2003

#410..tod why do you say that?  I think Gore's endorsement only helps Dean.
Gore got 500,000 more votes than Bush in the last election, he won the popular
election.  He is the uncrowned champion.  His endorsement carries a lot of
clout within the party.  That said, Dean didn't really need Gore's
endorsement, he was already doing just fine without it
klg
response 413 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 20:57 UTC 2003

(Certainly it must, Mr. richard!  Look at how effective Gore's 
endorsement was in the 1988 election.  Didn't Mr. Bush lose that 
election, too?)
gelinas
response 414 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 21:23 UTC 2003

(Fifteen years ago, Gore was just another senator.  Things have changed a bit
since then.)
tod
response 415 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 21:26 UTC 2003

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gull
response 416 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 21:47 UTC 2003

A Clark vs. Bush race would be interesting.  Or Lieberman vs. Bush. 
I've always wondered what would happen if two Republicans ran against
each other for President.
scott
response 417 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 23:36 UTC 2003

Interesting, anyway.  Lieberman tends to rub me the wrong way for some reason,
but not as much as Bush.  Dean or Clark would be interesting.
jp2
response 418 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 23:59 UTC 2003

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rcurl
response 419 of 536: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 01:03 UTC 2003

Lieberman is too sanctimonious for me. He is less so, though, than
Bush.
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