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Grex > Agora56 > #105: State: Wal-Mart must carry emergency contraception | |
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jadecat
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response 39 of 526:
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Feb 16 13:55 UTC 2006 |
EC is NOT an abortion pill.
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jep
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response 40 of 526:
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Feb 16 13:56 UTC 2006 |
That is your opinion, Anne, but it is not shared by everyone.
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nharmon
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response 41 of 526:
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Feb 16 14:13 UTC 2006 |
If EC is not an abortion pill, why are pro-abortion groups suing
Wal-Mart in order to get them to carry it?
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jadecat
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response 42 of 526:
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Feb 16 14:23 UTC 2006 |
EC is a drug designed to 1- prevent a woman from ovulation, as a
secondary it 2- thins the uterine lining so that a fertilized egg will
not implant. And this isn't just my opinion.
from: http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecabt.html
"Does Use of Emergency Contraception Cause an Abortion?
No, use of emergency contraception does not cause an abortion. In fact,
emergency contraception prevents pregnancy and thereby reduces the need
for induced abortion. Medical authorities such as the United States Food
and Drug Administration/National Institutes of Health and the American
College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists define the beginning of
pregnancy as the implantation of a fertilized egg in the lining of a
woman's uterus. Implantation begins five to seven days after
fertilization (and is completed several days later). Emergency
contraceptives work before implantation and not after a woman is already
pregnant. Depending on the time during the menstrual cycle that they are
taken, ECPs may inhibit or delay ovulation, inhibit tubal transport of
the egg or sperm, interfere with fertilization, or alter the endometrium
(the lining of the uterus), thereby inhibiting implantation of a
fertilized egg. The copper in copper-T IUDs can prevent sperm from
fertilizing an egg and can also alter the endometrium, thereby
inhibiting implantation of a fertilized egg. When a woman is already
pregnant, emergency contraception does not work. Emergency contraception
is also harmless to the fetus and the mother. "
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jadecat
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response 43 of 526:
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Feb 16 14:24 UTC 2006 |
And actually, I was wrong in the first part- from the same website:
"Depending on the time during the menstrual cycle that they are taken,
ECPs may inhibit or delay ovulation, inhibit tubal transport of the egg
or sperm, interfere with fertilization, or alter the endometrium (the
lining of the uterus), thereby inhibiting implantation of a fertilized egg."
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nharmon
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response 44 of 526:
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Feb 16 14:38 UTC 2006 |
Well, conceding that EC does not cause a medically defined "abortion",
it causes a fertilized egg to die after the point where many people
believe life begins.
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jadecat
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response 45 of 526:
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Feb 16 14:43 UTC 2006 |
Only as a tertiary point- that only occurs if the first two 'aims'
aren't achieved 1- preventing ovulation, 2- inhibit tubal transport.
Considering how many fertilized eggs never implant- without any
medication to inhibit them- there must be a lot of lost livesm if life
is considered to begin the instant a sperm penetrate an egg.
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nharmon
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response 46 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:18 UTC 2006 |
It makes more sense to me of defining life as starting at fertilization
rather than at birth, simply because there are more intrinsic changes at
the former point than there are at the later. I think that would be the
basis for a moral opposition against EC proliferation. But even with
that in mind, I see no problem with giving ECs to rape victims. Do I
suffer from cognitive dissonance? No, I enjoy every minute of it.
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richard
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response 47 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:26 UTC 2006 |
there are pills that can induce a miscarriage that are prescribed and which
walmart probably carries. ECP's simply get the publicity
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marcvh
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response 48 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:28 UTC 2006 |
There are no pro-abortion groups to my knowledge. I suppose a few weird
fringe ones might exist.
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jadecat
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response 49 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:33 UTC 2006 |
re #46- I would actually be much more comfortable with describing life
as starting after a successful implantation. The odds of a pregnancy
continuing after implantation in the unterine lining is MUCH greater
than simply an egg being fertilized.
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edina
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response 50 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:48 UTC 2006 |
I'm with Anne on that. You can have fertilized egg upon fertilized egg and
if all systems aren't go in the uterus, you'd never know that you might
possibly have been pregnant.
Richard, please list some of the durgs that are guaranteed to cause
miscarriage and what they would be prescribed for.
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nharmon
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response 51 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:54 UTC 2006 |
Does the mother need to be aware of a pregnancy for life to have occured?
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edina
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response 52 of 526:
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Feb 16 15:55 UTC 2006 |
Getting people to agree on when life begins? Honey, I'd rather herd cats for
a living.
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nharmon
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response 53 of 526:
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Feb 16 16:03 UTC 2006 |
:)
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klg
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response 54 of 526:
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Feb 16 17:16 UTC 2006 |
From at least one on-line medical dictionary --
Abortion: In medicine, the premature exit of the products of conception
from the uterus.
So things may not be as cut and dried as Anne makes them out.
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happyboy
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response 55 of 526:
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Feb 16 17:20 UTC 2006 |
i'll bet your uterus is dry, nutcase.
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tod
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response 56 of 526:
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Feb 16 17:42 UTC 2006 |
Ok..now this item sucks. Anytime abortion debate has to devolve into simple
5th grade sex-ed then I lose interest.
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happyboy
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response 57 of 526:
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Feb 16 17:51 UTC 2006 |
heh hehe huhuh...you said "sex-ed" hehheh
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edina
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response 58 of 526:
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Feb 16 17:54 UTC 2006 |
Re 56 Where do you think the crux of everything about abortion lies? Sex
ed. Most generally in not enough of it.
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tod
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response 59 of 526:
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Feb 16 18:00 UTC 2006 |
re #58
I think it has more to do with low esteemed guys that only see a slut in a
woman that has had sex outside of marriage. The idea of people not living
inside their June Cleaver social norms scares them. Why, I have no idea since
they're not getting any of that fine tail no matter what. Know wut I'm sayin
yo?
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edina
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response 60 of 526:
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Feb 16 18:06 UTC 2006 |
That's part of it. But IMO, the U.S. is horridly misinformed (if informed
at all) about sex ed.
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nharmon
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response 61 of 526:
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Feb 16 18:10 UTC 2006 |
Re 59: There is another part to it. Namely, the thought of destroying
another's life in order to make your life easier. Now, I'm not saying
you're wrong, but I think people are anti-choice for a lot of different
reasons.
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keesan
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response 62 of 526:
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Feb 16 18:18 UTC 2006 |
Has anyone offered to provide a home to an unwanted fertilized egg?
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tod
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response 63 of 526:
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Feb 16 18:18 UTC 2006 |
When you can convince me that life begins before the first breath of air
outside the womb then maybe I'll see your point. Right now, I'm leaning on
the simple biblical references of truth like Christ would have done (cuz he
was a Jew)
"..formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Genesis 2:7
You don't get a birth certificate til mommy squeezes you out of there, m'kay?
You get a death certificate if you die anytime after you've lived. If you
get scrambled like an egg prior to coming out of there thanks to mommy pushing
and ripping herself open to give you life then so be it cuz you weren't meant
to happen. Its that simple. I don't name babies before they come out of
there nor should anyone else, imo.
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