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kentn
response 38 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 00:18 UTC 2014

So start encouraging people, Rane.
cross
response 39 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 08:42 UTC 2014

resp:37 What Kent said.  Also, consider the motivation of someone to donate
money when they first come to Grex, and all they see is a bunch of grousing
from the regulars.
rcurl
response 40 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 20:16 UTC 2014

They'll start grousing on their own, when they see how things are run.
kentn
response 41 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 8 22:56 UTC 2014

So, you are volunteering to help with the running of things?
tod
response 42 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 04:12 UTC 2014

a bunch of bananas
a flock grousing
cross
response 43 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 11:49 UTC 2014

resp:40 Yeah, ok.  So let us know when you are actually interested in
helping out.
tod
response 44 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 15:52 UTC 2014

We need to look at the Treasurer responsibilities and accountability with
the board.  There's an obvious disconnect.
Plus, while a PO Box is great for taking donations/memberships - what
are the present day options to make it more accessible?
rcurl
response 45 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 17:51 UTC 2014

I've served on the Grex board, but got static for suggesting more
business-like procedures. No sense volunteering where I'm not wanted.
kentn
response 46 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 18:59 UTC 2014

A PO Box is a physical location, so as far as accessibility, you need
to have it close to the person or people who are going to be checking
it.  It is also where we receive the state form we need to fill out
each year, so it needs to be checked periodically.  In the past it has
overflowed and went unpaid, etc. so we need to have someone available
who can check it reliably.  I think gelinas has a key in addition to
the treasurer.

Yes, we need to look at treasurer duties (as you might imagine, this
has been a Board topic of discussion many times over the last several
years).  I think I sent the Board the list of duties that Mark put
together in years past.  It is a good starting place, although some
items are no longer necessary.  The treasurer is supposed to be doing
monthly financial reports according to the bylaws.  That is to be done
no matter how often the Board meets.  It is difficult to see how things
are running if we don't have up to date information on income/expense
and bank balance.  I can't remember the last time we had a financial
report.
cross
response 47 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 02:04 UTC 2014

resp:45 You haven't served on the board in my memory.  I think you just
like to complain about things that aren't run the way you think they should be
run.
kentn
response 48 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 02:16 UTC 2014

I don't find any record of Rane serving on the Grex board.  When
was that exactly?
tod
response 49 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 04:59 UTC 2014

Is the chronology of board members online somewhere?  
cross
response 50 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 13:14 UTC 2014

It's available at http://grex.org/cyberspace/board.xhtml, but is out of
date. rcurl is not listed, but to my knowledge, he has not served a board term
since that list was last updated.  So I suspect he's never actually served on
Grex's board.
remmers
response 51 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 18:25 UTC 2014

Rane served one term on the Board sometime in the early or mid 1990s. I 
remember because I was on the Board at the same time. I'm surprised it's 
not easy to find in the record.
kentn
response 52 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 18:28 UTC 2014

We can update it if we have the right information.  It has been updated
through 2015, but may need a little more updating.
remmers
response 53 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 18:30 UTC 2014

Apparently Rane was on the Board in 1994. See this: 
http://cyberspace.org/grexdoc/archives/minutes/1994-01-11
cross
response 54 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 18:49 UTC 2014

I stand corrected, though it is curious that there seems to be no record of
his tenure on the board.  Regardless, his experience is a twenty years old;
it's rather sad that he bases his current statements about how Grex operates
on such outdated knowledge.
rcurl
response 55 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 18:55 UTC 2014

Re #47: I do like to suggest better ways of doing things. I mostly gave up.
You can see that things are not done as well as they could be by the above
discussion from others.
cross
response 56 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 19:02 UTC 2014

resp:55 I have yet to see a concrete, actionable, suggestion from
you.  Most of what I see are snarky exclamations that may be
summarized by saying that, if we just used, e.g., Roberts Rules,
all of our problems would disappear.  I think that's laughable.

If you want to snipe from the sidelines, be my guest.  Don't be
surprised, however, if people ignore you.
kentn
response 57 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 19:17 UTC 2014

I'll see if I can update our Board web page (assuming I can find start and
stop dates).
 
That page is mostly legacy info from whoever put it together previously.
I've just been adding to it.
tod
response 58 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:43 UTC 2014

I was working in Randall Labs when Rane was on the board.  I remember
this because I used to shoulder surf when kermit read Grex and she knew
the who's who of the board at the time.
rcurl
response 59 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 20:48 UTC 2014

I sent my dues check to the POBox given at 
http://www.cyberspace.org/member.xhtml 

It was returned as "box closed/unable to forward/return to sender". This 
updated knowledge of Grex seems much like me old outdated knowledge.
kentn
response 60 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 01:21 UTC 2014

You can use PayPal.
tod
response 61 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 01:21 UTC 2014

Has anyone seen the treasurer or is he also closed?
Perhaps the board should re-elect a treasurer with a modification of
duties?  
kentn
response 62 of 102: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 01:23 UTC 2014

Again, and again, and again...broken record here: call TS and
find out.
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