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response 38 of 115:
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Apr 20 17:26 UTC 2010 |
Connecting to a computer system via a telephone line is a self-limiting
phenomenon. The more time passes, the fewer persons there are who would
be willing to do so, even if they had both the equipment and the
knowledge to do so. Unless the purpose is to maintain an intentionally
archaic technology (which would be completely incompatible with the goal
of operating a community with any commonality other than a strong
interest in a very specific archaic technology), there is no logical
justification for keeping a direct dial-up connection available.
There is no wisdom in keeping a direct dial-up connection to Grex. I
even doubt there is any wisdom in keeping Grex hosted directly on a
hardware platform when it's capabilities compared to those of modern
commodity hardware suggest that Grex should exist in an entirely
virtualized machine environment.
There, I said it. If Grex is to be maintained, set it up as a virtual
machine hosted on a contract basis with a company who will provide and
maintain the hardware and the connectivity, and allow Grex users and
staff to customize the inside of the virtual environment unendingly
without having to worry about phonelines, dying disk drives, i/o
capacities, etc. Backups of the entire system could be simple and
automated, and downtime would be practically nonexistent.
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katie
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response 39 of 115:
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Apr 20 17:37 UTC 2010 |
(where's the 'like' button?) ;-)
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mary
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response 40 of 115:
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Apr 20 18:30 UTC 2010 |
I strongly agree with Eric's #38.
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slynne
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response 41 of 115:
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Apr 20 20:49 UTC 2010 |
I also agree with resp:38.
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lar
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response 42 of 115:
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Apr 20 21:14 UTC 2010 |
grex will be dead in a year anyway. Might as well spend some of cash
it's got
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tonster
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response 43 of 115:
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Apr 20 22:05 UTC 2010 |
resp:29: Like I said, you're doing it wrong. I've used dial-up to ssh
and telnet for work on and off for over 10 years. It's pretty much the
same dialing in directly as it is sshing in. I suppose perhaps it's not
if you're using a cheap/free service to do it since they're going to be
overloaded, and, well, you get what you pay for, but otherwise it works
just as well.
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keesan
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response 44 of 115:
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Apr 21 00:09 UTC 2010 |
I never managed to get what I see on the screen to print to my local printer
except when dialed directly (with DOS, don't recall if linux works).
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richard
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response 45 of 115:
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Apr 21 00:27 UTC 2010 |
What a change from the time when there were active users here who did
not want Grex on the 'net and would call for Grex drop its 'net
service and add more dialins. They said Grex should never have gone
on the 'net to begin with, that all it ever needed or would ever need
was enough dialin lines.
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rcurl
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response 46 of 115:
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Apr 21 04:33 UTC 2010 |
Re #44: you don't have a "print screen" app?
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cross
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response 47 of 115:
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Apr 21 05:18 UTC 2010 |
resp:38 I agree with most of it, but I still am hesitant about the
virtualization side of things. The offerings aren't there yet.
That said, valid points about community support with respect to virtualization
have been raised, and should not be ignored.
resp:44 Sounds like a problem on your end.
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dropcap
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response 48 of 115:
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Apr 21 05:42 UTC 2010 |
you should use the cash to buy beer at your lunches.
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mary
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response 49 of 115:
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Apr 21 13:11 UTC 2010 |
Second. ;-)
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remmers
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response 50 of 115:
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Apr 21 14:25 UTC 2010 |
Re resp:47 - "I agree with most of it, but I still am hesitant about
the virtualization side of things. The offerings aren't there yet."
What's missing?
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cross
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response 51 of 115:
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Apr 21 14:59 UTC 2010 |
Ugh; the connection is too slow to type it all from Afghanistan. But the
comments are already on Grex, and hav been largely unaddressed.
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keesan
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response 52 of 115:
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Apr 21 20:00 UTC 2010 |
I don't want to print screen. I want to print the text on the screen, as
text.
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kentn
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response 53 of 115:
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Apr 22 00:44 UTC 2010 |
Use an xterm or similar terminal from your Linux box and then cut and past
the text into an editor and print from there. I can do the same thing
from Windows. It's not all that difficult or time-consuming. And you'll
have a copy of what you are printing in the editor in case the printer
fails.
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tonster
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response 54 of 115:
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Apr 22 03:26 UTC 2010 |
Any way you put it, the operator is broke on keesan's issue. 1 person's
inability to figure out how to print is not a good enough reason to keep
dialin's, IMO.
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cross
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response 55 of 115:
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Apr 22 04:57 UTC 2010 |
I agree.
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rcurl
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response 56 of 115:
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Apr 22 05:10 UTC 2010 |
I either cut-and-paste directly from the screen to (say) textedit, or save
to my directory to edit it slightly before doing the same.
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keesan
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response 57 of 115:
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Apr 22 13:28 UTC 2010 |
I think dialed-in linux also did not print. In DOS there is a simple command
that lets you print your mail from Pine (Ctrl-Y?). I can of course save and
then do a file transfer but it takes longer.
You don't need X to cut and paste in linux. Screen and splitvt let you do
it with the keyboard. It was much quicker in DOS. I can access grex via
TCPIP from DOS.
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keesan
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response 58 of 115:
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Apr 22 13:37 UTC 2010 |
The print command in the current version of Pine is %. Can anyone get it to
work with their local printer in linux? It prints to screen for me.
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kentn
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response 59 of 115:
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Apr 22 17:15 UTC 2010 |
If you're on the console, then yeah, sure you can cut and paste. But
X is much better to use if you want multiple windows open such as for
programming, (and yes, you can have multiple consoles, just that you
can't see them all at the same time).
What I don't get is why all the issues with problems that were solved
decades ago? Move on, already.
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rcurl
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response 60 of 115:
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Apr 22 18:51 UTC 2010 |
"I can of course save and then do a file transfer but it takes longer."
Everything you do now seems to take longer. 8^}
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keesan
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response 61 of 115:
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Apr 22 19:28 UTC 2010 |
Can you print what you see on the screen, in text mode, to your local printer,
by typing one character?
This problem is not related to dialup, just the Pine printing command.
I can use splitvt or screen for multiple windows and I am not usually
programming while reading email at grex.
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tonster
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response 62 of 115:
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Apr 22 20:10 UTC 2010 |
It's likely a terminal program issue.
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