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bru
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response 376 of 526:
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Mar 5 01:25 UTC 2006 |
this apparfently stems from the fact that the city refused to give him a
variance to build the new university in Ann Arbor.
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cyklone
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response 377 of 526:
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Mar 5 05:51 UTC 2006 |
If that's true (and I think it may have been Ann Arbor Township or Ypsi that
denied the variance) I'm crushed we're not blessed with Tom's magnificent
vision.
<insert sarcasm-impaired sign here>
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bru
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response 378 of 526:
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Mar 5 13:10 UTC 2006 |
where is Domino's headquarters located? I always think of it as Ann Arbor
because it is only ablut half a mile away.
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cyklone
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response 379 of 526:
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Mar 5 14:04 UTC 2006 |
I'm pretty sure that's the township.
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johnnie
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response 380 of 526:
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Mar 5 23:52 UTC 2006 |
Yep, the township--and when the board wouldn't lick his boots, Tom tried
to oust them and replace them with his own stealth candidates. When
that didn't work, he set out to find someplace appropriately subservient
to his money.
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happyboy
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response 381 of 526:
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Mar 6 08:36 UTC 2006 |
JEB BUSHLAND!
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jep
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response 382 of 526:
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Mar 6 15:07 UTC 2006 |
I have observed that the ACLU's publicized cases tend sharply to favor
Democratic Party positions. It appears to me that there is no more
accurate way to predict what the ACLU will do on any case, than to
determine the political stance of the Democratic Party.
There are a few cases which have gotten huge publicity, and which
favored very radical conservative positions. One of those was taking
the side of Nazis marching through Skokie, Illinois; this was in the
1970s but is still memorable, because the ACLU was *so* insensibly
wrong. They lost tons of members over that one, but did get the
words "conservative" and "Nazi" on the same line in the newspapers a
lot, so it was probably a good strategic choice.
re resp:368: When the ACLU takes a position on anything, I consider how
it benefits the Democrats over the Republicans. It usually doesn't
take long to see. I also look for how I disagree with what they are
doing. That's not hard to see, either. (Even so, even the ACLU has
positions I agree with, as I mentioned previously.)
I don't think most of the individual members of the ACLU have bad
intentions. Most of the ACLU members whom I know are good and nice and
well-intentioned people. I know Democrats, deep-seated racists,
members of rabidly conservative churches, anti free speech protesters,
and people with any number of different affiliations and positions with
which I disagree, who are honest and good people.
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jep
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response 383 of 526:
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Mar 6 15:11 UTC 2006 |
re resp:363: Grex should not have had anything to do with the ACLU's
lawsuit against Michigan governor Engler. Grex just had it's name used
for that political lawsuit. I quit being a member of Grex for two
years because I don't want to support the ACLU and greatly resented
being forced to do so.
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richard
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response 384 of 526:
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Mar 6 16:06 UTC 2006 |
re #382 the ACLU was not wrong in the Skokie nazi case. Those people were
american citizens and had the constitutionally protected right to assemble
and march.
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richard
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response 385 of 526:
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Mar 6 16:23 UTC 2006 |
And since JEP says he voted for Kerry in the last election, I'm a bit confused
about why he'd at the same time be against the ACLU for taking "democrat"
positions...
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nharmon
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response 386 of 526:
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Mar 6 16:48 UTC 2006 |
Because the ACLU should take a non-partisan approach to protecting our
freedom. We understand that makes for poor fundraising, but that
doesn't mean we should like it.
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richard
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response 387 of 526:
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Mar 6 16:54 UTC 2006 |
the ACLU *does* take a non-partisan approach. They defend republicans as well
as democrats, and have republican members.
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richard
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response 388 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:00 UTC 2006 |
And if much of the Democratic party membership wants to take the ACLU's
positions, the ACLU has nothing whatsoever to do with that.
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klg
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response 389 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:13 UTC 2006 |
I don't think you can say that the ACLU defense of the Nazis
is "radical conservative." Look at the general attitude of liberals
attitude toward Arab despots and the latters' support for Nazism.
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richard
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response 390 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:20 UTC 2006 |
Civil Rights and Constitutional Protections don't know political boundaries.
If you are an american citizen, you have certain rights regardless of your
political views. The ACLU seeks to make sure those rights are protected,
whoever you are.
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nharmon
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response 391 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:24 UTC 2006 |
For the most part you are correct Richard. The ACLU does pretty good.
But I think we can agree that there are some issues where the ACLU
frames their stance based upon the current Democrat position. These
issues include gun control, affirmative action, and abortion rights.
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klg
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response 392 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:29 UTC 2006 |
RW is correct, so long as he travels in exclusively far left circles.
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marcvh
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response 393 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:29 UTC 2006 |
It seems weird not to at least consider the possibility that, rather than
the ACLU being a partisan political entity, perhaps the Democrats are
more supportive (or at least pay more lip service) to civil liberties
issues than the GOP, which means that the positions of other pro-civil-
liberties entities like the ACLU would happen to be aligned more often.
I'm not sure I understand this alleged linkage anyway. Does it
specifically benefit Democrats if school-sponsored prayers are not
included in public high school graduation ceremonies? If the ACLU
were demanding that the ceremony include all the students signing
loyalty oaths to Hillary Clinton then I would see your point, but
that's not at all what is happening. Indeed it seems to be the case
that ACLU actions like this often help the GOP, in the short term
anyway, by giving their base an issue to rally around.
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tod
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response 394 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:30 UTC 2006 |
re #382
When the ACLU takes a position on anything, I consider how
it benefits the Democrats over the Republicans.
That's because you can't think for yourself. I think my life would be so much
easier if I let the GOP or Dems do all the thinking for me. Baaaah Baaah.
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klg
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response 395 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:32 UTC 2006 |
The ACLU takes arguments to the extreme. And aren't extremists
dangerous?
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nharmon
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response 396 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:33 UTC 2006 |
Marc, I see it as the ACLU probably attracts more liberal people to
their cause, and as a result their leadership tends to be people who
bring along ideals from their respective political party. These ideals
then filter into the ACLU's official policy, which ends up upsetting
members with somewhat conservative points of view, and you have a cycle
of leadership that becomes more liberal with each generation.
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richard
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response 397 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:36 UTC 2006 |
klg the aclu does not take arguments to the extreme, you are being brainwashed
by fox news again. The ACLU looks at the Bill of Rights, and looks at all
cases where american citizen's rights might be violated. If you do not have
groups like the ACLU and others zealously defending citizens rights, you are
empowering authorities to violate those rights over and over. In this
society, where rights are commonly trampled upon, you need a watchdog group
like the ACLU. There is nothing wrong with that they do and the role they
play.
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klg
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response 398 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:39 UTC 2006 |
"and looks at ALL cases where american citizen's rights MIGHT be
violated"
Thanks for proving my point that the ACLU is extremist.
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richard
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response 399 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:41 UTC 2006 |
nharmon the political views of the ACLU's leadership do not matter because
the ACLU's role is not political. Defending the rights guaranteed under the
law is not a political job. The ACLU is a group of lawyers who offer advice
based upon accepted legal opinions and precedent. Their personal political
views are irrelevant. .
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richard
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response 400 of 526:
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Mar 6 17:42 UTC 2006 |
re #398 what is extremist about looking at all cases where a citizen's rights
might have been violated? You view it as less extremist if they picked and
chose who they represented or when they decided to act? That would be more
extremist in my opinion.
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