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md
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response 36 of 122:
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Dec 17 03:41 UTC 1998 |
Many classical music lovers also love movie music. Bernard
Hermann, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith. Did you know that
Rudolph Steiner, who composed the famous Gone with the Wind
theme, also composed the famous theme to A Summer Place two
decades later? Did you know that the music for Our Town,
The Red Pony, and Something Wild was all composed by Aaron
Copland? Or that the music to the movie Scott of the Antarctic
was made into a symphony (Sinfonia Antartica) by its composer,
Ralph Vaughn Williams? Leonard Bernstein wrote the music for
On the Waterfront, but *Elmer* Berstein wrote the celebrated
jazz-influenced score to The Man with the Golden Arm (among
many others).
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remmers
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response 37 of 122:
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Dec 17 10:09 UTC 1998 |
(Are you sure it isn't Max Steiner, rather than Rudolph Steiner?)
In point of fact, I'm a classical music lover who also loves
movie music. My favorite film score composers are probably
Bernard Hermann and Nino Rota. Hermann did the scores for
"Citizen Kane", various Hitchcock films ("Vertigo", "Psycho",
"Marnie", etc.), Truffaut's "Fahrenheit 451", Scorsese's
"Taxi Driver". Rota is most famous for "The Godfather" and
his scores for numerous Fellini films.
One of my favorite film scores of all time is Prokofiev's
score for "Alexander Nevsky", later arranged as a suite for
orchestra and chorus.
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davel
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response 38 of 122:
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Dec 17 11:19 UTC 1998 |
Prokofiev also wrote movie music. The one that comes to mind (in the
suite drawn from the score) is _Lieutenant_Kije_. (I've never heard the
original score played, just the suite in various arrangements ...
starting with *playing* it in jr. high school band.)
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md
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response 39 of 122:
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Dec 17 11:31 UTC 1998 |
Yes, Max Steiner is definitely the film composer. Rudolf Steiner,
I believe, was an anarchist theorist. Probably composed atonal
music on the side. Speaking of which, the first atonal score used
in a popular feature film was the one for Fantastic Voyage.
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md
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response 40 of 122:
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Dec 17 12:02 UTC 1998 |
...which, according to IMDB, was composed by Leonard Rosenman, who
also did the music for Rebel without a Cause, Star Trek IV: the
Voyage Home, and many other movies. His most famous scrap of music,
however, is the "doo-doo-doo-doo" Twilight Zone theme.
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albaugh
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response 41 of 122:
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Dec 17 19:26 UTC 1998 |
Well, might as well admit that John Williams' Star Wars scores are heavily
classical in style while blaring out catchy themes.
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md
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response 42 of 122:
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Dec 17 21:02 UTC 1998 |
Not only Star Wars, but also Superman, Raiders of the Lost Ark,
Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, Jurassic Park, and many other
blockbusters I've forgotten, I'm sure. Williams' style always
sounds British to me, like a more tuneful Malcolm Arnold. Even
his earliest "Cowboys" music, when he was still Johnnie Williams,
has this quality.
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coyote
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response 43 of 122:
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Dec 17 23:09 UTC 1998 |
Re 36:
To add even more to the list, the minimalist Michael Nyman has created
"The Piano Concerto" out of the theme from the movie "The Piano". Aram
Khatchaturian also composed some music for movies, such as "The Battle of
Stalingrad" (Russian, I'm guessing around the same time as Alexander Nevsky,
but I've never seen it. The music is great, though, if you like
Khatchaturian.)
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md
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response 44 of 122:
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Dec 18 01:43 UTC 1998 |
This is drifty, but I just found out that Margaret Hamilton was
in *two* of the three Copland-scored movies mentioned above.
(She wasn't in Something Wild, not surprisingly.) She looked
a little bit like Aaron Copland. Hmmm....
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remmers
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response 45 of 122:
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Dec 18 13:07 UTC 1998 |
Add Ennio Morricone to my list of favorite film composers. He did
the score for Sergio Leone's "Once Upon a Time in the West" and
other spaghetti westerns. More recently he's been working with
David Lynch, most notably the wonderful music for the "Twin Peaks"
TV series.
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remmers
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response 46 of 122:
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Dec 18 21:39 UTC 1998 |
Oops, faulty memory again - I'm merging two different people into one.
The "Twin Peaks" composer isn't Morricone, it's Angelo Badelemati
(spelling probably mangled). So count both of those dudes as among my
favorites.
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mcnally
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response 47 of 122:
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Dec 18 23:40 UTC 1998 |
Badalamenti, I think..
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lumen
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response 48 of 122:
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Dec 19 04:57 UTC 1998 |
Don't forget to check out the TV/movie soundtracks item while you're on this
thread.
Nino Rota is nice. I learned "Love Theme From The Godfather" for classical
guitar and fell in love with it before I heard the actual recording, which
features a mandolin instrumentation. A mandolin has to be played
differently-- the strings fade away quickly when strummed or plucked, and
therefore must be played repeatedly to compensate for lack of reverb. So the
piece had a slightly different flavor on a classical guitar-- I have to use
an occasional vibrato, especially on long notes, instead of the trill-like
manner in which the mandolin is played. It's still nice.
Speaking of classical guitars and classical music and rock n' roll, the
former leader of the band Deep Purple plays classical guitar now (but no
lute.)
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davel
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response 49 of 122:
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Dec 19 12:04 UTC 1998 |
(One of Deep Purple's early albums had rock versions of parts of Tchaikovsky's
Romeo & Juliet and of a Beethoven symphony.)
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cyklone
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response 50 of 122:
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Dec 19 14:35 UTC 1998 |
Ritchie Blackmore was into classical music even during Deep Purple's early
days. I remember reading an interview in which he pointed out that one of the
chord progressions used in a DP song was lifted from Bach.
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tpryan
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response 51 of 122:
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Dec 19 19:16 UTC 1998 |
re 49: ?"Music for two unfreindly groups of instruments"?
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jmm
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response 52 of 122:
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Dec 20 23:21 UTC 1998 |
Try Loreena McKennet. Contemporary folk, magical stuff. I got hooked on her
background music for "The Burning Times." She has a new tape out. Canadian,
based in Stratford.
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mcnally
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response 53 of 122:
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Dec 21 04:43 UTC 1998 |
A lot of people seem to like her but at least the singles I've heard
have really turned me off. Judging by the bland magicky-fantasy lyrics
I've heard I expect her to start singing about hobbits at any minute..
Given that that's my big reservation, should I steer clear or have I
formed an incorrect impression based on the few songs one might hear
on the radio (in particular the dance re-mix of "The Mummer's Dance",
which gets played most often, really turns me off (not necessarily the
music or vocals but mostly the lyrics, though the music doesn't do much
for me either..)
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katie
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response 54 of 122:
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Dec 21 06:04 UTC 1998 |
Her traditional music is good.
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anderyn
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response 55 of 122:
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Dec 21 13:32 UTC 1998 |
Yah, her traditional music is good, and I rather like her version
of the "Highwayman". She does tend to get off into a Celtic fae mood
a bit often, but on the other hand, I happen to *like* Celtic fae stuff
when I'm in the mood for it, and her music is just right for those
moods, being not too New Age-y and mushy.
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remmers
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response 56 of 122:
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Dec 21 17:06 UTC 1998 |
Sindi specifically mentioned recently-composed music in #0, so
I've been holding off bringing up ragtime, most of which was
written between 1895 and 1920. Nonetheless, there is contemporary
music in the ragtime style that a classical music lover might
enjoy, e.g. the compositions of William Bolcolm, Glenn Jenks,
Frank French, Peter Lundberg, Bob Milne, and others.
I'll provide more detail later when I have more time, if there's
interest.
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steve
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response 57 of 122:
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Dec 27 04:23 UTC 1998 |
Sindi, great item. I'm just coming to the music conference finally,
after not having been able to make the time for a while.
The following are all things I've given to friends who are classical
music people who've frowned on other forms of music. Not all liked
all the things I loaned out, but at least I've never received any
gagging motions from them upon getting the CD's back.
For jazz, I'd say look at Jean Luc Ponty, from Canada. He is still
making music today, and has been for about 20 years now, I think. A
german group which has disbanded is Passport, headed by Klaus
Doldinger. Very good stuff there.
For rock, listen to the early music of Yes. Their offerings from
the 70's such as "Going for the One", "Fragile" and "Tormato" are
wonderful. They are my all time favorite 'rock' music, but that
doesn't do them justice. Among Yes fanatics there is a strong
coorelation with a liking of classical, myself included.
Also called Rock, but more like folk are three albumns by Jethro
Tull. Called "Songs from the Wood", "Heavy horses" and the last
one whose title escapes me but talks of north sea oil. I can only
think that Ian Anderson meant to do this, which was a trilogy of
songs about nature, man/nature, and man/technology. The first two
even my mother loves--Ian writes beautifully, and I have used the
song "Velvet Green" to shut up more than one music snob who said
that no popular music could be 'good'.
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cloud
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response 58 of 122:
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Dec 27 17:10 UTC 1998 |
I keep meaning to get something by "Yes," I'll keep an eye out. Would you
recomend any one album over another? Any I should steer clear of?
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steve
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response 59 of 122:
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Dec 27 18:35 UTC 1998 |
I think their later works (Talk, 90125, Big Generator coming to mind)
aren't as good as the odler ones. If there was one specific CD to get...
Hmm... I'd say either Going for the One or Fragile. (thats hard to
think of, just one of them to get)
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keesan
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response 60 of 122:
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Dec 27 19:25 UTC 1998 |
Thanks STeve, I figured if people who did not think they liked classical music
could try to be broad-minded about it, I should be willing to reciprocate.
I will try the library and Borders again with more suggestions.
(The Finnish and Karelian folk music were not something I would want to hear
frequently, maybe okay for dancing to in very cold weather).
Thanks for letting me know whether to look for a performer or a group or a
particular piece instead of trying all three categories.
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