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nharmon
response 36 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 14:20 UTC 2006

The democrats are good at excluding people. I think the democratic party
needs to realize that Americans are not as liberal as other people in
the world. Americans do not want to be more like Europeans. Just because
Europe is more liberal than you, that does not make you centrist. The
Bush Administration through its screw-ups has handed the democrats the
next presidential election. Its the DNC's election to lose.
jep
response 37 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 17:55 UTC 2006

I think it's pretty early to predict a Democratic president in 2008.  I 
think it's pretty likely there will be a Democratic controlled House of 
Representatives after the elections of this year.  There are a lot of 
people who are fed up with the GOP right now, including myself.

It will be interesting whether that Congress can shift the tide of 
public opinion as the Gingrich/Contract With America Congress did in 
1994.  If they're seen as blocking government from doing what it ought 
to be doing, there'll be another Republican president in 2008.  If they 
can correct the excesses of the current Congress, be seen as ethical, 
and cause the president to become more moderate, they could take a lot 
of power back from the Republicans.

There will be other factors, too, of course.  Will the GOP nominate 
someone to carry on the work of Bush, or someone who will make 
substantial changes?  Will they be able to canonize Bush like they did 
Reagan?  Will the Bush administration be able to bring home a lot of 
the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan?  Will there be any other major 
attacks on the US?  How will the economy be doing in 2008?
tod
response 38 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:00 UTC 2006

re #30
I agree with you richard.  After their opinions on assisted suicde drug use
and their defense of the AG's lawbending, its obvious they have a fundie
agenda.
bhelliom
response 39 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 18:52 UTC 2006

I solidy disagree with the assertion that Europeans are more liberal
than Americans.  There are certain aspects about which one side is more
liberal than the other.  I'd rather be an ethnic minority in the US than
I would in Europe.
tod
response 40 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 19:07 UTC 2006

Do you have more equality as a woman in the US than in Europe?
twenex
response 41 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 19:21 UTC 2006

Re: #39. I wouldn't.
klg
response 42 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:13 UTC 2006

I'd much rather be Jewish in the US than anywhere else in the world 
other than Israel.
marcvh
response 43 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:18 UTC 2006

Being Jewish in Canada would be OK.
twenex
response 44 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:19 UTC 2006

Or, indeed, Europe.

Too much violence in Israel to feel safe there, as a Jew or otherwise.
bhelliom
response 45 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:22 UTC 2006

I'm a black woman, tod.  I can hardly separate the two.  Having said
that, no, I'd have less equality in Europe, save perhaps the U.K.

Twenex, which ethnic minority group do you belong to?
naftee
response 46 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:23 UTC 2006

i think the jews in MOntreal do quite fine !

but uh; i think in toronto it's a slightly better atmosphere
twenex
response 47 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:24 UTC 2006

Re: #45. Jewish.
klg
response 48 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:25 UTC 2006

Oh, yeah???  How would you know, VH??

My group gave money to construct a building at a Canadian Jewish camp.  
They were given an extraordinarily hard time by the authorities in 
meeting the various construction rules and regulations.  It wasn't like 
they were building in a city or town.
twenex
response 49 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:25 UTC 2006

Re: #47. Not that I see the relevance of the question.
mcnally
response 50 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:27 UTC 2006

 re #37:  I think it's actually pretty unlikely that control of the
 House of Representatives will fall to the Democrats after the 2006
 elections -- the system has become so rigged through years of 
 redistricting that not that many seats are at serious risk.
marcvh
response 51 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:27 UTC 2006

Somehow I'm not surprised that you would be involved with a group seeking
to put Jewish people in a camp.
bhelliom
response 52 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:29 UTC 2006

resp:49 - It is relevant.  You said you would rather be an ethnic
minority in Europe than in the US.  It would have been rather laughable
for you to say what a minority should or should not prefer if you
weren't one yourself.
nharmon
response 53 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:31 UTC 2006

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nharmon
response 54 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:31 UTC 2006

#51 is a low blow.
bhelliom
response 55 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:31 UTC 2006

Honestly, I think the main difference when it comes to race between
Europe and the US is how the concept of racism and race relations are
approached.  Americans *seem* more up front about their prejudices for
the most part.
naftee
response 56 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:37 UTC 2006

you're a black chick, sylvia ?
klg
response 57 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:45 UTC 2006

(54:  You would expect something intelligent from vh??)
twenex
response 58 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:47 UTC 2006

Re: #52. Why? You seem to be suggesting that, say, not being black blinds me
to the fact that black people on both continents are underprivileged. I find
that extremely offensive and racist and, if that's an example of you being 
"more up front about your prejudices," then speaking as a European, I'd much 
prefer you to act like one.

As a sidenote, I really can't understand the modern attitude to minorities and
the underprivileged, insofar as it seems to tolerate no prejudice from the
majority towards the minorities (which is good), but almost ENCOURAGES 
prejudices from the minorities towards the minority. NOT helpful.
twenex
response 59 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 20:47 UTC 2006

(57: Well, it's more likely than something intelligent from you.)
bhelliom
response 60 of 186: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 21:00 UTC 2006

resp:58 - Jesus.  What you're hearing is not what I'm saying at all. 
Don't put words in my mouth.  I said "minority" not "black".  I think we
can all agree that black people aren't the only minorities in Europe or
the US.  I believe Jews to have the same minority status as blacks do,
or should.  What I said, clearly, was that not being an ethnic minority
and making that statement would be laughable.   

resp:56 Yes, I am.
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