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tsty
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response 353 of 378:
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Mar 18 07:21 UTC 2006 |
somewehere during today's activities, i overhaerd a story about some hotel
on the east coast that had changed its room rates.
you pay by the poound.
not the room size - not the type fo bed(s) - not the view.
the more you weigh; the more you pay.
i could have heard/misheard something because it was 'in passing' but
the thoguht cought my attention, big time (intend3ed).
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keesan
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response 354 of 378:
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Mar 18 13:50 UTC 2006 |
I would prefer a world full of fat people than car owners, who take up much
more space and cause much more damage.
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cyklone
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response 355 of 378:
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Mar 18 14:10 UTC 2006 |
Who do you think is driving all those big SUVs?
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slynne
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response 356 of 378:
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Mar 18 14:10 UTC 2006 |
Cyklone, do you have a problem when someone with wheelchair gets on a
bus and they have flip up those front seats so the wheelchair person not
only gets the *best* seats on the bus but three of them? What if the
person in a wheelchair is there because of an accident that occurred
while they were doing something dangerous (snowboarding?).
Personally, I think that it is treading a dangerous line when we start
saying that certain people are more or less deserving of public
accommodation because of their bodies. Do fat people take up more space
in the world simply because of size. Yes. So what?
As for my happiness. I am mostly happy but it is possible to be happy
with one's life and still not like being discriminated against. And
there is a lot of proof that fat people are discriminated against
although in a weird way, since more and more Americans are gaining
weight, there is hope that people will become more accepting of large
people. And just so you know, one doesnt have to be a minority to be
discriminated against. Women are discriminated against in many ways and
women are a majority.
As for your comments about my romantic life. I hardly know what to say.
It is completely irrelevant if I have ever had any serious romantic
relationships or not. As it happens, I have. And I know that feeling of
being two people against the world is a powerful one but so what? I find
that I am perfectly capable of saying "fuck you" to the world all on my
own.
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cyklone
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response 357 of 378:
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Mar 18 14:36 UTC 2006 |
Comparing people in wheelchairs to obese people is apples and oranges
again. I won't even bother going into all the ways your comparison is off.
What I will say, though, is that you sound an awful lot like the christian
conservatives who claim to suffer discrimination where it doesn't exist.
As I mentioned before, large people get all kinds of breaks from society
in terms of the social and economic subsidies I've mentioned before (such
as retrofitting chairs in transportation and public accomodations). Your
beef seems to keep coming back to "I don't like the attitude I perceive
towards me." Hey, people cop attitudes about others all the time, for all
kinds of reasons. So what? You can take offense or you can continue to
live your life and decide to be happy. But it's not discrimination, and
when you use that term you are diluting the meaning of the word, which in
turm can lead to minimizing the impact of true forms of discrimination
that exist in this country.
If you've found romantic happiness great; that just proves my point. I
don't see how anyone is interfering with your pursuit of happiness, job
opportunities or your access to public accomodations. There aren't
separate water fountains for fat people and no is making you sit on the
back of the bus. By your own admission, you've been reading about "fat
acceptance." It seems to me that in the absence of actual discrimination,
the real issue is self-acceptance. If you have it already then I don't get
your repeated attempts to imply there is some sort of discrimination when
in fact it basically boils down to differing opinions of what is healthy
and "right." Vive le difference and all that . . . .
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slynne
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response 358 of 378:
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Mar 18 15:05 UTC 2006 |
Comparing handicapped people to fat people in this case makes perfect
sense. We are talking about public accommodation and who deserves it.
Does everyone deserve it? Apparently you believe that fat people dont.
But once, a lot of people believed that handicapped people didnt deserve
it either.
Like a lot of people who dont actually experience discrimination, it can
be difficult to see. Is discrimination against fat people the same as
what black people experienced in the Jim Crow years? No, of course it
isnt. Discrimination against different groups takes different forms.
Sometimes discrimination is out and out hostile, sometimes it is more
subtle. It is funny that you would compare me to those christian
conservatives who claim discrimination where it doesnt exist because in
the back of my mind, I was comparing you to them too because they
generally refuse to acknowledge that other groups are discriminated
against. I see their calls of discrimination really as them being upset
about a loss of privilege. FWIW, I can see how a loss of privilege might
seem to them to be discrimination but obviously, I dont see it that way
As it happens, as far as discrimination goes, I realize that I have a
lot of privilege too. I am white. I was rised in a upper middle class
family. I was raised Christian. In some very real ways, I am in the
mainstream. But discrimination based on weight does exist. Fat people
are discriminated in the work force. Fat people are discriminated
against in the dating world (which doesnt mean that fat people cant find
partners but it is a little harder). All in all, I am probably ahead of
the game though. Discrimination against racial minorities and poor
people is probably worse than the discrimination against fat people. But
that doesnt mean that discrimination against fat people is right and
shouldnt be talked about.
But yes, Vive le difference. I think that diversity in our culture
should be celebrated and that includes size diversity.
One of the bloggers I read wrote a nice piece about thin privilege
modeled after a similar list of white privilege written by Peggy
McIntosh. Her blog can be found at http://fatshadow.com
Everyday as an average sized person ...
I can be sure that people aren't embarrassed to be seen with me because
of the size of my body.
If I pick up a magazine or watch T.V. I will see bodies that look like
mine that aren't being lampooned, desexualized, or used to signify
laziness, ignorance, or lack of self-control.
When I talk about the size of my body I can be certain that few other
people will hope they are never the same size.
I do not have to be afraid that when I talk to my friends or family they
will mention the size of my body in a critical manner, or suggest
unsolicited diet products and exercise programs.
I will not be accused of being emotionally troubled or in psychological
denial because of the size of my body.
I can go home from meetings, classes, and conversations and not feel
excluded, fearful, attacked, isolated, outnumbered, unheard, held at a
distance, stereotyped, or feared because of the size of my body.
I never have to speak for size acceptance as a movement. My thoughts
about my body can be my own with no need for political alliance relative
to size.
I can be sure that when I go to a class, or movie, or restaurant that I
will find a place to sit in which I am relatively comfortable.
I don't have to worry that if I am talking about feeling of sexual
attraction people are repelled or disgusted by the size of my body.
People can imagine me in sexual circumstances.
People won't ask me why I don't change the size of my body.
My masculinity or femininity will not be challenged because of the size
of my body.
I can be sure that if I need medical or legal help my size will not work
against me.
I am not identified by the size of my body.
I can walk in public with my significant other and not have people
double take or stare.
I can go for months without thinking about or being spoken to about the
size of my body.
I am not grouped because of the size of my body.
I will never have to sit quietly and listen while other people talk
about the ways in which they avoid being my size.
I don't have to worry that won't be hired for a job that I can do
because of the size of my body.
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slynne
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response 359 of 378:
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Mar 18 17:20 UTC 2006 |
I was thinking about my last post and I think I probably shouldnt have
brought up discrimination in the dating world. As it happens, I believe
that when it comes to dating, people probably *should* discriminate and
go with their gut feelings and what they find attractive. I, in no way,
mean to criticise any individual's choices in that area. I discrimate
quite a lot in that area of my life and it is no small part of why I am
currently single.
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keesan
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response 360 of 378:
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Mar 18 19:01 UTC 2006 |
My closest friends are thin, possibly because we share similar attitudes and
ways of eating. I have relatives who are fat, and are very nice people. I
even have neighbors who are not only fat but smoke and are also very nice
people. I can't think of any time when I was ever inconvenienced by someone's
being fat, other than maybe paying a bit more for health insurance because
the average health of Americans goes down with their weight going up.
I am frequently inconvenienced and made sick by smokers, and I see nothing
wrong with letting them know it. They can easily change their behavior by
not smoking into other people's air, even if they cannot break the addiction.
I am continuously inconvenienced by the operators of private motor vehicles,
and on top of that I have to subsidize them in the form of increased health
insurance (they are less healthy due to lack of exercise) and road building
and maintenance. It takes me longer to cross the street, the air outside
frequently stinks, and I am never free of the noise. But car owners are in
the majority so don't expect to be criticized, and think they are okay but
people with bigger motor vehicles are not. The difference in noise, filth,
and waste between an SUV and a car is much less than that between a car and
a bike or pedestrian. I don't think a car person has any right to criticize
a fat person for taking up too much space or resources. A car takes up as
much of the road as maybe 50 bikes, if you count the space in front and behind
that it is not safe to bike in, and that does not even include the space
wasted on parking.
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tod
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response 361 of 378:
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Mar 18 20:07 UTC 2006 |
re #350
Plus, the price of dairy goes up cuz everyone is eating more cheese.
re #360
I can't think of any time when I was ever inconvenienced by someone's
being fat, other than maybe paying a bit more for health insurance because
the average health of Americans goes down with their weight going up.
You've obviously never had to share a redeye flight next to me. ;)
(No arm room, lots of apnea related snoring, lots of junkfood cluttering the
area, extended no-vacancy for the bathroom, did I mention no arm room?)
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cyklone
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response 362 of 378:
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Mar 18 20:50 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, I had a flight a few years back when I went to take my seat and the
obese passenger next to me had the arm rest up. I immediately put it down and
he made some smartass comment about having more room with it up. Yeah, I
thought, more room for you, and less for me.
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keesan
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response 363 of 378:
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Mar 18 22:57 UTC 2006 |
About 2 more inches for each of you if you stayed on your sides of the
imaginary line.
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cyklone
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response 364 of 378:
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Mar 19 01:53 UTC 2006 |
It was obvious he wasn't going to be staying on his side of the line. He was
already halfway oozed into my seat when I first got there.
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slynne
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response 365 of 378:
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Mar 19 03:32 UTC 2006 |
As a fat person who flies now and then, I have chosen to take my friend
Shannon's advice. She said that families with kids almost always end up
in the back of the plane. She said that if I took a seat back there,
anyone who would ordinarily be annoyed to sit next to the fat person
would instead be grateful they werent sitting next to the parent with a
lap held screaming baby. It seems to work. So far, no one has seemed
annoyed to sit by me. I usually keep the arm rest down if someone is
sitting next to me though because I like the seperation factor. I also
always choose a window seat because it allows me to lean over a little
bit.
I also usually choose a seat where someone has already taken the aisle
and I choose the window because I know that middle seat in the back of
the plane will be one of the last chosen. Unless it is a totally full
flight, I usually find that middle seat remains vacant.
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tod
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response 366 of 378:
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Mar 19 04:03 UTC 2006 |
I'd sit next to slynne before I'd sit next to CyKlone. I'm just weird like
that I guess. Then again, I prefer the window seat so there would be some
sumo action going on in row 32.
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nharmon
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response 367 of 378:
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Mar 19 04:06 UTC 2006 |
<imagines the Police Academy movie where some huge guy switches sides
in-flight and causes the plane to roll>
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cyklone
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response 368 of 378:
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Mar 19 04:44 UTC 2006 |
Re #366: You bitch! Just for that, I'm cancelling our trip to Tahiti!
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slynne
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response 369 of 378:
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Mar 19 05:06 UTC 2006 |
Haha.
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tod
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response 370 of 378:
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Mar 19 14:54 UTC 2006 |
re #368
I lost my fascination for Tahiti ever since Cheyenne Brando.
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slynne
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response 371 of 378:
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Apr 6 15:00 UTC 2006 |
I forgot that I was going to post my cholestorol levels.
They are 174 total level
LDL 98
HDL 50
From what I understand those are decent levels. All my other tests were
normal except for the glucose one which was slightly high so they are
going to do another one. It is possible that I might have pre-diabetes
which isnt surprising since diabetes runs in my family, I am
overweight, diabetes is very common for people with POSC, and sugar has
been something very difficult for me to remove from my diet so I eat
way too much of it.
It has left me thinking about a very big aspect of thin privilege. I
have a cousin who is not overweight and who was diagnosed with type 2
diabetes when she was in her early 30's. I have never heard a single
person blame her for that. No one has said, "she did that to herself
with her unhealthy lifestyle." Everyone reaction even behind her back
has been "what a shame to have that happen to her when she is so young"
I have a feeling that knowing my extended family, I will get different
treatment behind my back although, of course, no one will say anything
to my face. Part of that is the denial a lot of people in my family
have that diabetes is a hereditary disease.
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slynne
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response 372 of 378:
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Apr 6 15:15 UTC 2006 |
Here is an link to an interesting blog post on this subject
http://w.ick.ca/5261
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tod
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response 373 of 378:
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Apr 6 17:38 UTC 2006 |
I like to eat a couple big macs before getting my cholesterol count.
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slynne
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response 374 of 378:
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Apr 6 17:43 UTC 2006 |
I like to eat a couple of big macs before my glucose test *snort*
That isnt true of course, I dont like big macs. I like to eat cookies
before my tests.
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tod
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response 375 of 378:
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Apr 7 00:25 UTC 2006 |
I like big macs but the sauce makes my face break out so I don't eat em.
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slynne
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response 376 of 378:
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Apr 7 00:31 UTC 2006 |
The sauce makes me want to barf so I dont eat em.
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tod
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response 377 of 378:
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Apr 7 16:06 UTC 2006 |
The sauce IS barf.
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