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nharmon
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response 346 of 404:
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Jan 23 20:32 UTC 2006 |
Its not so silly when the argument is that if you never served in the
military, your knowledge of the military is less valid.
Re #344: Care to cite some examples?
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albaugh
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response 347 of 404:
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Jan 23 21:28 UTC 2006 |
> The thing that's irritating about you is that
> you somehow feel that you're in a position to lecture to the rest of us.
Now isn't that the marine, sorry, Marine calling the kettle black.
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cross
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response 348 of 404:
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Jan 23 23:48 UTC 2006 |
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mcnally
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response 349 of 404:
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Jan 24 00:05 UTC 2006 |
Neither of you strikes me as an especially reliable and unbiased
source of information on the topic.
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cross
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response 350 of 404:
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Jan 24 00:32 UTC 2006 |
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mcnally
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response 351 of 404:
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Jan 24 01:25 UTC 2006 |
And yet, despite all the overwhelming military superiorty of our
occupying force (jets included) there's still an Iraqi insurgency
that seems quite capable of destabilizing the Iraqi government..
In any case, it seems to me this exchange isn't really about Bruce's
expertise or his (alleged) revolutionary fantasies. Very few people
here seem to put much credence in bru's views on military matters
but you clearly get some special sort of thrill out of asserting
superior knowledge and experience. You seem pretty reasonable,
if not especially congenienal to discuss things with, on a wide array
of other topics, so why the bug up your butt about bru's paramilitary
fantasy life?
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happyboy
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response 352 of 404:
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Jan 24 01:25 UTC 2006 |
dude...you realize that bru is grex's art bell, right?
don't waste your time getting upset with him...i mean if you
ARE getting upset.
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happyboy
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response 353 of 404:
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Jan 24 01:26 UTC 2006 |
slippage
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nharmon
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response 354 of 404:
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Jan 24 01:32 UTC 2006 |
Whats wrong with Art Bell? You don't think aliens exist and use Grex for
their personal e-mail needs?
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happyboy
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response 355 of 404:
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Jan 24 02:55 UTC 2006 |
*hic*
from india or *hic* them one from outer space?
/narrows eyes 'n turns up the poh-leese scanner
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cross
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response 356 of 404:
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Jan 24 03:02 UTC 2006 |
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cross
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response 357 of 404:
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Jan 24 03:06 UTC 2006 |
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nharmon
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response 358 of 404:
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Jan 24 03:23 UTC 2006 |
I can't think of a situation where the US Military would be used against
a large civilian rebelion.
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cross
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response 359 of 404:
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Jan 24 04:00 UTC 2006 |
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nharmon
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response 360 of 404:
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Jan 24 04:14 UTC 2006 |
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nharmon
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response 361 of 404:
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Jan 24 04:15 UTC 2006 |
Rioting is a different, isn't it?
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naftee
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response 362 of 404:
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Jan 24 05:02 UTC 2006 |
happyboy is with da poh-leese
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cross
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response 363 of 404:
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Jan 24 05:38 UTC 2006 |
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bru
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response 364 of 404:
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Jan 24 06:25 UTC 2006 |
Cross, the problem is I am a nice guy too! Ask my friends. I do have
friends, some of whom even post on grex! But I am older than you. I
am not going to tell you a thing about military life, how to obey
orders, or what to do in a combat situation. NOT my area of expertise.
But I have 43 years of handling and dealing with arms and ammo. I
learned to shoot from an expert, and I have never failed to get an
expert rating in any qualifications I have done.
Is a 9mm going to penetrate your vest? No. It won't even penetrate my
vest. Isn't kevlar wonderful thing. But nobody in their right mind is
going to shoot you in the chest with a 9mm from 21 feet away. You aim
for the head in that situation, or you get a bigger gun, something that
will penetrate body armor, and there are a lot of hunting rifles out
there with more punch than an M-16 or even an M-1.
Do I have fantasies about overthrowing the U. S. Government? Quite the
opposite. A civil war is the last thing I want to see or deal with
from either side. That doesn't mean I don't study the art of war.
I support and defend the Constitution. I have studied it for longer
than you have been alive cross, it was required reading in my house.I
have heard all the arguements thru the 60's, 70', and thru today on
what the constitution says, and every generation wants to have their
own say as to the interpretation of it.
The only time the SCOTUS has ruled on the 2nd ammendment with regards
to the militia has been discussed here before. They did not rule that
only the militia should have guns. They ruled that a sawed off shotgun
was only appropriate as a militia weapon. they said nothing about
hunting rifles or hand guns.
And if you read the Constitution of the State of Michigan, you will
find that we are all a part of a well regulated militia. All able
bodied citizens between the age of 17 and 60 in the State of Michigan
are members of the militia, and a part of the state military
establishment.
We have had this discussion before as well.
STATE CONSTITUTION (EXCERPT)
CONSTITUTION OF MICHIGAN OF 1963
STATE CONSTITUTION (EXCERPT)
CONSTITUTION OF MICHIGAN OF 1963
4 Militia.
Sec. 4.
The militia shall be organized, equipped and disciplined as provided by
law.
6 Bearing of arms.
Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of
himself and the state.
MICHIGAN MILITARY ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 150 of 1967
32.509 State military establishment; composition; organized and
unorganized militia.
Sec. 109.
The organized militia of this state taken collectively shall be known
as the state military establishment and constitutes the armed forces of
this state. The organized militia consists of the army national guard,
the air national guard, and the defense force when actually in
existence as provided in this act. The unorganized militia consists of
all other able-bodied citizens of this state and all other able-bodied
citizens who are residents of this state who have or shall have
declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who
shall be age 17 or over and not more than age 60, and shall be subject
to state military duty as provided in this act.
So, in effect, you and I are the militia as provided for under state
law.
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rcurl
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response 365 of 404:
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Jan 24 06:50 UTC 2006 |
"The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the
Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional
enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm
individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a
militia or other such public force."
(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/)
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johnnie
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response 366 of 404:
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Jan 24 14:06 UTC 2006 |
>I can't think of a situation where the US Military would be used against
>a large civilian rebelion.
If memory serves, the Reagan administration (through the office of VP
Bush) worked up plans for using troops to impose martial law should
their not-completely-legal activities in Central America lead to
"violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against
a US military invasion abroad".
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cross
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response 367 of 404:
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Jan 24 14:57 UTC 2006 |
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gull
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response 368 of 404:
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Jan 24 19:38 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:260: The ACLU has limited resources, so they have to put their
resources where they'll do the most good. There are already
well-funded groups defending the 2nd Amendment. It's the one amendment
conservatives really seem to care about.
Re resp:268: The thing is, once you start arguing that free speech is
only allowed if it doesn't intimidate anyone, you've seriously limited
political debate and discussion. I happen to find a lot of the stuff
said at Republican conventions pretty intimidating, but that doesn't
mean I should be able to shut them down.
Re resp:295: If I were a minority I don't think I'd carry a gun. If
you're not white, having any gun-like object on you seems to greatly
improve the chances of being killed by a cop.
Re resp:311: Regardless of how badly the government handled Ruby Ridge
and Waco, they both prove that being armed with civilian weapons
doesn't help you at all if the government "goes wild." For that
reason, I find it odd that gun rights types use those two events as a
rallying cry.
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nharmon
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response 369 of 404:
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Jan 24 22:32 UTC 2006 |
Dang you David for making us go back and reread what you're responding
to. :)
> Re resp:260: The ACLU has limited resources, so they have to put their
> resources where they'll do the most good. There are already
> well-funded groups defending the 2nd Amendment. It's the one amendment
> conservatives really seem to care about.
That is a perfectly acceptable reason to not take up 2nd amendment
cases. If that were the ACLU's stance, my response would be, "oh. okay.
keep up the good work." Hell, I'd accept it if they just kept quiet on
the issue. But instead they go on the offensive AGAINST gun rights.
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rcurl
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response 370 of 404:
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Jan 24 23:11 UTC 2006 |
But the ACLU SUPPORTS the 2nd Amendment. What are you talking about? When
have they gone on an "offensive AGAINST gun rights: (as provided by the
2nd Amendment)?
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