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oddie
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response 34 of 65:
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Feb 26 04:38 UTC 2000 |
Oh, right, I think I may have seen pictures of those actually. Is it a
standard magnetic pickup or more like a microphone?
SInce we were talking about jazz guitarists, I picked up Pat Metheny Group's
_Letter from Home_ at the library today. Although I like some of the guitar
solos, overall it is a bit too soft and smooth for me. They also have a cd
of apparently purely acoustic recordings by Metheny and bassist Charlie Haden,
which I might get out next week.
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scott
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response 35 of 65:
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Feb 26 17:54 UTC 2000 |
Standard magnetic pickup; typically a humbucker.
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orinoco
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response 36 of 65:
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Feb 26 20:43 UTC 2000 |
If I'm remembering right, using a magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar will
normally give you feedback. I think this is because the surface to which the
pickup would be attatched is the soundboard of the guitar, which is itself
vibrating, but someone who knows more about guitars should verify this.
Archtop guitars are the exception to this.
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scott
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response 37 of 65:
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Feb 28 15:38 UTC 2000 |
Any type of pickup on an acoustic guitar is more susceptible to feedback.
That's because the thin body walls can pick up external noises.
Archtops tend to have pickups mounted to a solid part of the guitar such as
the end of the neck, which helps.
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orinoco
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response 38 of 65:
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Feb 28 18:22 UTC 2000 |
Er...yeah. What he said. :)
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carson
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response 39 of 65:
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Mar 4 05:01 UTC 2000 |
(brief interlude: I have to program a jazz show tomorrow, and I'd
like to tie it in to Mardi Gras by focusing on the Louisiana scene.
any suggestion on what to play?)
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mcnally
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response 40 of 65:
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Mar 4 05:50 UTC 2000 |
Geez.. That could be pretty tough, putting together a jazz program
with a New Orleans theme..
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carson
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response 41 of 65:
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Mar 4 19:06 UTC 2000 |
:)
(no, seriously. I'm completely clueless and don't know which artists
are actually from the Louisiana area and which ones are relative
newcomers. I also want to [mostly] stay away from tracks that were
recorded by N.O. artists while away from the area.)
(I have some ideas, but suggestions are always helpful.)
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oddie
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response 42 of 65:
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Mar 5 05:33 UTC 2000 |
Are you looking for old (1910s, 20s) recordings, or more recent things? I have
to admit I don't know much about either -- Louis Armstrong (of course), King
Oliver (trumpeter in whose band Louis' career started), Buddy Bolden (street
band trumpeter, think he may have been a barber by day for some reason, or
maybe I'm confusing him with someone else), Jelly Roll Morton (ragtime/early
jazz pianistm who liked to claim that he invented jazz) are the only names
that spring to mind.
(among Louis Armstrong's many groups were the Hot Five, Hot Seven, and the
All-Stars)
Then in the 1950s, R&B got started in New Orleans... Not exactly the same
thing that's today marketed as r&b, but a kind of jazz that represented a
return to the idea of jazz as dance music with great popular appeal (a reaction
against bebop, whose practitioners played the music *they* wanted to play
or even deliberately tried to annoy the listening public and older musicians,
by playing in strange, harsh-sounding chords and so on...)
Louis Jordan, a saxophonist, is the only name I know, sadly...
(Of course, r&b evolved into rock'n'roll, along the way apparently getting
itself confused somehow with bebop or bop, so that Elvis was referred to as
"the king of Western bop" at one point...)
Nowadays I think there is a sort of revival of older jazz styles going on in
New Orleans, like marching-band music and so on...isn't there a band called the
"Dirty Dozen Brass Band" that does this kind of thing??
(I'm afraid that wasn't much help, especially since you probably won't get to
read this before doing your show, but I felt like babbling on anyway...)
To babble on a little further -- it can be really amusing to read the opinions
of the more snobbish jazz critics on R&B's evolution into rock. The mostly
excellent "Jazz: America's Classical Music" has a hilarious little section on
how the process started by Elvis led to a huge list of social evils, the
last of which was "Brooke Shields exalted as child sex goddess of the 80's"
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oddie
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response 43 of 65:
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Mar 5 05:36 UTC 2000 |
(I got out Miles' _Sketches of Spain_ from the library and really like a lot
of it but don't have time to write about it now, wait a day or two...)
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scott
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response 44 of 65:
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Mar 5 13:30 UTC 2000 |
The "Dirty Dozen BRass Band" is more of a funk band using brass instruments.
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carson
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response 45 of 65:
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Mar 5 17:40 UTC 2000 |
(I ended up pulling out covers of old Jelly Roll Morton tunes. I would
have liked to have played some covers of Joe "King" Oliver, but I
couldn't find any on CD; the public radio station rid itself of turntables
a few weeks before I began working there. I also found a couple of New
Orleans-specific works whose names I can't recall at the moment.)
(I did play three non-N.O. tunes: Ella & Louis, "Summertime"; Bob James,
"Nautilus"; Dave Brubeck Quartet, "Take Five.")
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goose
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response 46 of 65:
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Mar 9 22:01 UTC 2000 |
another jazz guitarist to check out (re:way back there) is Django Reinhart(sp)
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oddie
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response 47 of 65:
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Mar 11 06:08 UTC 2000 |
'Reinhardt', IIRC.
So, _Sketches of Spain_: an album of Spanish classical music and folk tunes,
including a reworking of the middle movement of Rodrigo's Concierto de
Aranjuez, with Miles taking the guitar part on trumpet. Actually, I don't
think that's the best piece on the album; it doesn't stay completely true to
the spirit of the original (especially at the points where the orchestral
backing goes into a swing rhythm behind Davis' solos). But the solos themselves
are really good, and the other cuts on the album (apart from a march piece
whose rigid rhythm just annoys me -- fortunately it's short) are great.
Probably my favorite track is the final one, which is of a similar length to
"Concierto" but quite a bit more free-form.
Anyway, today, without returning _Sketches of Spain_, I checked out vol. 2 of
Coltrane's "Complete 1961 Village Vanguard recordings" (the only volume that
was there -- I have given up trying to find specific CDs at the library and
now just check out whatever looks good; unfortunately most of their best CDs
get stolen as the anti-theft system doesn't work). I personally would consider
this Free jazz, at least as far as the soloing style goes, but as it is firmly
anchored in swing rhythm and (most of the time) scales or chords, it is much
more understandable than Coleman. Two of the tracks (of those I have heard so
far) sound more or less like the recordings on Atlantic's _Best of John
Coltrane_, but the ones that made the greatest impression on me were the first
and third. The first track's head sounds very much like the written-out breaks
in Coleman's _Free Jazz_ -- no discernible beat, oddly random-sounding melody;
when the solos begin it seems to be returning to the realm of straight modal
jazz, but the squawks, trills, and virtuosic runs over the horn's whole range
that Coltrane produces make it something much more wild and strange. (The
playing of the bassist & drummer, including an extended bass solo, is
incredible too). The third track, appropriately titled _India_, opens with the
drummer playing something that *almost* sounds like a swing beat, except that
it's either in an odd time signature or in no time signature at all; then
suddenly there's an unexpected metallic note in the right channel -- some
classical Indian instrument, I'm sure, though I couldn't tell you its name;
a few bars later, the bass enters, and then a little later begins a solo on
a horn that sounds more like an oboe than a saxophone, though I'm not sure
an oboe is what it is. There's also unusual-sounding backing from a couple more
horns, and a solo that I think is either a clarinet or a bass clarinet.
Awesome track. Awe-inspiring record.
question: this CD doesn't have any liner booklet for some reason, so I don't
know who the players were for this session. I'd suspect Scott LaFaro or maybe
Charlie Haden on bass, just because the solos sound so much like those on
_Free Jazz_, but it might also be someone else playing in that style. My best
guess for pianist would be Wyn Kelly (because Coltrane recorded with him in
1960), but again I could be completely wrong. Possibly Eric Dolphy as one of
the other horn players. I dunno. Does anyone else?
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orinoco
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response 48 of 65:
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Mar 11 21:26 UTC 2000 |
On _Giant Steps_ (1960 also), he plays with Tommy Flanagan, Cedar Walton, and
Wynton Kelly. So if you're gonna go by what he was up to at the time, it
could be any of those three. i.e. I don't know.
I'm still trying to bend my ears around Giant Steps. It's fascinating stuff,
but I find it very tiring to listen to -- I tend to prefer more melodic solos
is most of it. You definitely seem to have more of an ear for the angular
stuff than I do. I suspect if I'd been of a proper old-fart age in 1960,
I'd've been one of those people that jazz was dead etc. etc. etc.
(Actually, if I'd been of a proper old-far age in the 60s, I'd've been ranting
against the Beatles and the Stones and have no clue who Coltrane was, I
imagine. But close enough.)
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stacie
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response 49 of 65:
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Jun 21 13:44 UTC 2000 |
*giggle*
http://www.riffage.com/Features/Features/Metheny_KennyG/0,4780,0,00.html
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Metheny Gets Medieval on Kenny G
by Jim Willcox
If you thought confrontational exchanges between musicians were confined
to more aggressive musical genres like rap, rock or heavy metal, think
again. Recently, jazz guitarist Pat Metheny teed off on new age
saxophonist Kenny G, (full name Kenny Gorelick -- Ed.) calling his
playing "lame-ass" and "wimped out" in a posting on his website
(http://www.patmethenygroup.com).
The controversy, which started when Metheny cautioned his fans that not
all music classified as jazz was, in fact, jazz, pointed out Kenny G's
music as an example, saying the saxophonist played "the dumbest music on
the planet." Of course, Metheny was then asked by visitors to expound
on his feelings toward his top-selling contemporary.
Rather than backtracking, Metheny plowed ahead with a full-scale assault
on Kenny G's abilities in general, but taking particular offense at
Kenny G's recent electronically engineered duet with the late Louis
Armstrong. Metheny, who believes that Kenny G's overdubbing on
Armstrong's song was a desecration of his musical legacy, called the
track an example of "musical necrophilia." Metheny said he though it
"weird" when Natalie Cole did it with her father, Nat King Cole, and
"bizarre" when Tony Bennett did it with Billie Holiday, but added, "But
we are talking about two of the greatest singers of the 20th century who
are roughly on the same level of artistic accomplishment."
Then Metheny really let loose. "When Kenny G decided that it was
appropriate for him to defile the music of the man who is probably the
greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass,
jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, f*cked up
playing all over one of the great Louis's tracks (even one of his lesser
ones), he did something that I would not have imagined possible. He, in
one move, through his unbelievably pretentious and calloused (sic)
musical decision to embark on this most cynical of musical paths, shit
all over the graves of all the musicians past and present who have
risked their lives by going out there on the road for years and years,
developing their own music inspired by the standards of grace that Louis
Armstrong brought to every single note he played over an amazing
lifetime as a musician. By disrespecting Louis, his legacy and by
default, everyone who has ever tried to do something positive with
improvised music and what it can be, Kenny G has created a new low point
in modern culture - something that we all should be totally embarrassed
about - and afraid of. We ignore this - 'let it slide' - at our own
peril."
Metheny wasn't quite done, however, saying the only reason for Kenny G
doing something "inherently wrong - on both human and musical terms" was
for record sales and money. As a result, Metheny called for a boycott of
Kenny G's albums and concerts. Metheny finished by taking music critics
to task for not writing about the issue, and adding "everything I said
here is exactly the same as what I would say to Gorelick if I ever saw
him in person. And if I ever DO see him anywhere, at any function - he
WILL get a piece of my mind (and (maybe a guitar wrapped around his
head.)"
In a subsequent post to the responses he received, Metheny said that he
actually wouldn't be hitting anyone with a guitar "despite the fact that
El Kabong WAS probably my first major guitar influence as a kid."
Metheny acknowledged he was surprised by how much notice "my little rant
on this topic" has generated in the press, and was disappointed that
"controversy has the chance to 'win' over musical substance" in what
gets discussed. "I wish the actual playing and writing could generate
(this) type of discussion" As a final aside, Metheny jokingly said he
suggested to an animator at MTV's "Celebrity Death Match" that they
arrange a bout between Kenny G and the ghost of Louis Armstrong "to
settle this for once and for all!"
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happyboy
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response 50 of 65:
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Jun 21 14:16 UTC 2000 |
oh gawd that was beautiful!
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stacie
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response 51 of 65:
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Jun 21 14:28 UTC 2000 |
Makes you want to weep doesn't it? *weep* ;)
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otaking
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response 52 of 65:
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Jun 21 16:54 UTC 2000 |
I have a LOT of respect for Pat Metheny now.
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cyklone
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response 53 of 65:
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Jun 21 19:42 UTC 2000 |
I always have
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oddie
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response 54 of 65:
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Jun 28 05:15 UTC 2000 |
I know nothing about Pat Metheny. Well, except that he plays guitar. Would
any of you Pat metheny fans like to point me towards a good album of his?
I got "Bitches Brew" on CD about a month ago. (which reminds me, I have
to pay them for it before they get peevish and send me something I don't
want...). Anyway, the more I listen to it the more inexplicable I find the
violently negative response that it received from jazz critics of the day.
(One of the books I read for that jazz research paper last year referred to
it as "a sad plea for attention") (getting the cause and effect mixed up, as
"Brew" was the record that started the fusion trend, not an attempt to
keep up with it) The music is incredibly complex and multifaceted; it's no
exaggeration when the blurb on the CD back says something like "by turns
churning and contemplative, airy and grounded, structured and free..."
And it's much too simplistic to label it "jazz-rock," for that matter,
as it has influences from many different musical forms (including,
incidentally, some of the best ideas of Coleman's Free jazz, like the
collective improvisation that replaces sharply differentiated round-robin
solos -- John McLaughlin is particularly adept at this).
That said, I'm starting to agree with Orinoco's comment that most other fusion
isn't so good (in resp #2 or so). Having heard quite a lot more fusion
recently, I can say that none of it has quite the "oceanic depth" (another
blurb quote) of "Bitches Brew." Most of it is rather one-dimensional...
Mahavishnu Orchestra was quite good, although I'm not too fond of JM's
extreme use of distortion on some songs, and the long guitar solo on the
first track from Lost Trident Sessions seemed not to really go anywhere for
all its speed. (The concluding blues-inflected section of that track was
lovely, though). Also probably I shouldn't evaluate Mahavishnu on the strength
of a "previously unreleased" album (I have heard the others at someone else's
house but *listened* to them...).
BTW, Orinoco, why do you hate JM's solo records? I heard "My Goal's Beyond"
(reissued on CD, incorrectly as "My Goals Beyond") last week and have
decided I'll have to get it. It's an acoustic record with several Mahavishnu
players on it (Jerry Goodman, Billy Cobham, and one other I think...). The
first side is very Indian-influenced with sitar and tabla backing along with
the bass and drums, the second mostly solo guitar renditions of jazz standards.
Actually the second side has quite a classical "tone color" which I liked a
lot.
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oddie
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response 55 of 65:
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Jun 29 04:16 UTC 2000 |
(I agree completely with Pat Metheny's rant about Kenny G, btw, don't know
how I forgot to mention that..)
(and thank you Stacie for posting something else to this item, it makes me
feel a little less like it's a lost cause ;)
Oh, and I just noticed that the last line of the second-to-last paragraph
in my previous response should say exactly the opposite of what it does:
"but haven't *listened* to them..."
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orinoco
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response 56 of 65:
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Jun 29 18:00 UTC 2000 |
Well, I have to admit that it's not on very much evidence that I've
decided I don't like John McLaughlin's solo stuff. I owned "The Heart of
Things," a 1997 release of his, for a while, and never really warmed to
it. I saw him live a few years ago and was blown away by his rhythm
section, but didn't much enjoy his playing. I've heard a few things of
his on the radio, and thought they were flashy but not very interesting.
Then again, none of this that I've heard comes from around the same time
as the Mahavishnu Orchestra; it's possible that I'd like some of his
earlier solo work, which I haven' theard any of.
(Then again again, "Indian influenced" jazz "with sitar and tabla backing"
sounds to me like a profoundly anoying idea).
I suspect that Bitches-Brew-era Miles Davis and the Mahavishnu Orchestra
were only called by the same label because they were both playing <gasp>
electric music. "Fusion" as a term doesn't seem to mean much more than
"well, they've got an electric guitarist, so....." -- it's misleading.
Bitches Brew sounds to me like especially tasteful free jazz, and
Mahavishnu sound to me like a side current of prog rock.
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oddie
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response 57 of 65:
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Jul 1 05:36 UTC 2000 |
Nonono, it's a very good idea :) All I really meant when I said it was
"indian influenced" was that it seems to be based all in one scale/chord and
uses a couple of Indian instruments (I think Bitches Brew has tabla on some
of the tracks, and I know later Davis groups had a sitar player [I don't like
this later stuff much, actually, especially as an *electric* *sitar* seems
a bit tasteless...]) Then again, I loved that John Coltrane track "India,"
too, so conclude what you will :)
I heard some of another JM solo record a couple of days ago, incidentally,
_Extrapolation_ (IIRC), which was recorded in '72 with a
quartet of English jazz players and is much more conservative and "jazzy"
than Mahavishnu Orchestra. That was lovely too...
And you are of course completely right about the term "fusion," which
encompasses much more musical ground than "swing" or "bebop" ever did.
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oddie
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response 58 of 65:
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Jul 11 04:00 UTC 2000 |
Russell lent me his B Sharp Jazz Quartet cd, "Tha Go 'Round." Although I
liked some of it, it grew rather monotonous listening to it straight through.
Their style might be described as hard-bop with a touch of funk.
On an impulse I checked out "Song X" by Ornette Coleman & Pat Metheny,
only to discover that I *still* don't understand Coleman...
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