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keesan
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response 34 of 290:
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Jan 20 01:00 UTC 2006 |
You can buy lights at the hardware store that come only when they sense
motion, only if it is dark out. The settings are adjustable, and they can
be set to stay on for different durations. You can also run your bathroom
fan on a dehumidistat and/or timer, so it comes on only when it is humid and
stops when it is dry, or you turn a mechanical knob to start a mechanical
timer that will run up to 15 minutes, or an hour. None of this is
whole-house. It is good for your health to pull shades up and down.
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tod
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response 35 of 290:
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Jan 20 01:55 UTC 2006 |
It is good for your health to pull shades up and down.
Not if you are a former President in the 24 series
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ric
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response 36 of 290:
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Jan 21 04:34 UTC 2006 |
My telephone service is provided through my cable modem thanks to a wireless
router. Perhaps someday, my phones will support 802.11g or some similar
wireless protocol, and then I won't have to have the phones wired into the
wall outlets (though they still need power)
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marcvh
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response 37 of 290:
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Jan 22 17:01 UTC 2006 |
Apropos of this, last night my WiFi network stopped working. First it
got really slow and unresponsible, and then it stopped functioning at
all. Even when my laptop and my WAP were only two feet apart, they
couldn't see each other and nothing would work.
That happens every once in a while; when it does, nothing seems to fix
it, but a few hours later or the next day it's working fine. I also
wasn't able to detect any of the other WiFi networks in my neighborhood
(there are 5 of them within range) which suggests some kind of systemic
interference rather than a local equipment problem.
I'm told by others this is far from uncommon; not sure if it might be
caused by sunspots, atmospheric conditions, a neighbor using a
poorly-shielded microwave, or what. But it happens from time to time.
A hard-wired LAN will probably have availability of four or five nines,
while WiFi seems to be somewhere between one and two nines.
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nharmon
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response 38 of 290:
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Jan 22 17:08 UTC 2006 |
My wifi connection is quite reliable. In fact, I have never had it go
out. A lot of times it comes down to the quality of your equipment. A
coworker reports a similiar problem with his d-link wireless router. He
has to cycle the power in order for it to start working again.
I do agree that wired networks are many times more reliable.
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twenex
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response 39 of 290:
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Jan 22 17:16 UTC 2006 |
I also find that power-cycling the router helps. You might want to try that,
Marc.
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rcurl
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response 40 of 290:
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Jan 22 17:22 UTC 2006 |
When I first installed my WiFi system there would be some blackouts
(byteouts?) and I called Comcast. On a couple of occasions they were
announcing that their system was down. For many months now the system has
been absolutely stable. While I do have a wired LAN using the WiFi
connection to cable, I don't use the LAN very often - mostly for backups
and rarely to exchange files. So, at least for my use, the convenience of
the WiFi is more important than the reliability of the LAN.
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marcvh
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response 41 of 290:
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Jan 22 17:35 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, my impression is that the D-Link stuff is crap. I wouldn't buy that.
Sorry if I'm not being clear -- yes, I did power-cycle the WAP. I also
tried rebooting the laptop, connecting to a different router, using a
different network card, and about a dozen other things, none of which
worked at all. This was definitely not a failure of any single piece of
equipment. I suppose if I were being thorough I could have tried other
devices that use the same frequency range, such as my cordless phone, to
see what they did. Or maybe I could have asked my neighbors if any of
them is in a terrorist sleeper cell using Ham radio to communicate with
Peshawar.
It just happens every once in a while; fortunately it's just a slight
inconvenience since I can fall back to using wires, and it always goes
away the next day if you do nothing.
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springne
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response 42 of 290:
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Jan 22 18:15 UTC 2006 |
D Link is crap, Linksys is lesser crap.
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mcnally
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response 43 of 290:
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Jan 22 20:32 UTC 2006 |
re #39: I'm pretty sure Marc would've tried that in his trouble-shooting.
re #38: Many (at this point, probably most..) cordless phones use the same
2.4Ghz frequency band as 802.11b and 802.11g and depending on the phone
model cause varying degrees of interference. If you have a really close
neighbor with such a phone it may be that you have such outages whenever
they're using the phone but don't tend to notice the 2-minute outages and
only notice when they're on the phone for an extended period.
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jep
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response 44 of 290:
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Jan 23 02:36 UTC 2006 |
If D-Link and Linksys equipment are poor quality, what brands would you
recommend? Is it the routers which aren't up to snuff, or the network
cards as well?
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twenex
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response 45 of 290:
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Jan 23 02:51 UTC 2006 |
I use Linksys and D-Link stuff and haven't had any more problems than peooke
I've heard using other brands.
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nharmon
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response 46 of 290:
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Jan 23 03:49 UTC 2006 |
I have a Linksys router, and connect to it using a linksys pcmcia card
on my laptop, and a microsoft PCI card on my PC. I also have an orinoko
pcmcia card for when I get the temporary urge to put linux on my laptop.
All three have not had problems.
This afternoon my desktop PC discovered a new wifi network in the
neighborhood.
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mcnally
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response 47 of 290:
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Jan 23 03:49 UTC 2006 |
I haven't used any D-Link equipment but the Linksys products are quite
decent for what they are.. However, keep in mind that there's a bit of
a difference between professional grade networking hardware and a wireless
access point that you can buy at Meijer for $40 after rebate..
I use Linksys at home and am mostly happy with it, though I have replaced
the manufacturer-provided firmware image with an upgraded Linux-based
firmware from a company called Sveasoft.
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twenex
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response 48 of 290:
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Jan 23 04:17 UTC 2006 |
Re: #45. peooke=people. WEIRD typo.
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tod
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response 49 of 290:
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Jan 23 04:45 UTC 2006 |
re #37
Are you anywhere near the pipelines? They might be doing WiFi blackouts.
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rcurl
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response 50 of 290:
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Jan 23 05:48 UTC 2006 |
Are your neighbors using open systems (with the SSID broadcast)? Why would
they do that? Or can you detect closed networks?
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marcvh
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response 51 of 290:
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Jan 23 05:58 UTC 2006 |
Nope. I am within a few blocks of an electrical substation, which I
suppose could be involved in some way. But really, on the frequency
ranges which are used for tons of different applications by tons of
different people, there's going to be problems once in a while. Nothing
too surprising or exciting.
Not sure what the future of spectrum use for unlicensed devices like
this will look like. There's been some increase in the spaces available;
2.4 GHz being the most popular, but some growth in 5 GHz space. Heck, I
remember when Ricochet, which used the 900 MHz band to get network speeds
comperable to a dialup, seemed pretty cool. Anyway, there are
incremental improvements in ways to use the spectrum efficiently, but
the demand is also exploding. It seems reasonable to speculate that
there will come a point where we have wrung all the performance we can
out of the technology, but the demand continues to grow, particularly in
densely populated areas.
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ric
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response 52 of 290:
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Jan 23 13:58 UTC 2006 |
I don't think I've ever noticed my wifi go down. Cable goes down sometimes
(not often) so we lose internet access (and phone service) but the wifi always
works.
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keesan
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response 53 of 290:
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Jan 23 16:44 UTC 2006 |
Should I link this to the do it yourself conference and if so, please remind
me how.
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tod
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response 54 of 290:
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Jan 23 17:25 UTC 2006 |
I' suspect a flaky router if you're losing signal for extended periods.
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slynne
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response 55 of 290:
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Jan 23 17:44 UTC 2006 |
resp:53 I believe that if you go to the do it yourself conference, you
can link this simply by typing 'link agora 63'
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marcvh
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response 56 of 290:
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Jan 23 17:47 UTC 2006 |
I find it unlikely that my neighbors' routers and mine all are flaky and
all happened to flake out at the same time. But I suppose it's possible
one of them is flaky and caused interference which masked the signals
from the others.
Re #55: the ironing is delicious
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nharmon
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response 57 of 290:
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Jan 23 17:57 UTC 2006 |
I agree with Marc that this does sound like some extreme interference.
You could always call the FCC and tell them there is some equipment
nearby that is interfering with your network. Who knows, they might have
plenty of spare time now that Howard Stern is off the air.
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gull
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response 58 of 290:
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Jan 23 19:46 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:8: Right now the cable companies seem to be using the switch to
digital cable as a way to try to force people to pay more money for the
same content. If it had price parity with analog cable I might be more
tempted, but otherwise it just looks like another rate increase. I
also haven't been terribly impressed with the demo HDTVs at places like
Best Buy. Yeah, the picture is really sharp when there's nothing going
on, but when there's much action on screen the JPEG blockies start to
show up.
Re resp:19: There are two problems with predictions like that. One is
that they're solutions looking for problems. How many consumers have
actually *asked* for their refrigerator to tell them when they're out
of milk, or their toaster to tell their washing machine when they make
toast so it can pre-configure itself to remove jelly stains? The other
problem is that most people can't or won't deal with complex systems
like that. Sure, it's possible to load all your DVDs into a central
computer and watch them anywhere in the house, but the average
consumer, who can't even program his VCR timer, isn't going to want to
fuss with trying to figure out how to use it. Until it can be made
easy and reliable, at least.
There are horror stories of people who have bought "smart homes" and
have never been able to get everything working right. Think about how
often your computer doesn't behave properly. Now imagine the same
unreliablity applied to your lights, heat, and garage door opener, and
you have an idea of the problem.
Re resp:31: Maybe the older X10 stuff was better. The stuff I've
bought in the last ten years or so has all been unreliable junk.
Re resp:57: The 2.4 GHz band that wireless network stuff operates on is
unlicensed. The tradeoff with not having to have a license is the FCC
won't help you if you have an interference problem -- they only care
about interference to licensed services. If you look at the
documentation for any given wireless device, you'll find this verbiage:
"This device complies with Part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is
subject to the following conditions: (1) this device may not cause any
harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept interference
received, including interference which may cause undesired operation."
The 2.4 GHz band is sort of a combination of the Wild West and a
garbage dump. You may get interference from cordless phones, amateur
radio operators, microwave ovens, and even weather radar. WiFi uses
spread-spectrum technology to avoid most interference from other
services, and it actually works pretty well, but the potential for
problems is built in.
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