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jep
response 34 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 05:14 UTC 2003

re resp:20: Have you ever noticed what fat people usually eat?  They 
eat diet food!  Diet Coke, Ultra Slim Fast, salads... I shudder to 
think what they're doing to their bodies.  It hardly takes any of that 
type of garbage to turn almost anyone fat, as I've found to my 
sorrow.  A salad now and then, a switch to Diet Coke, and I've gained 
maybe 80 pounds in the last 10 years.  I've never seen a skinny person 
with an Ultra Slimfast in their hand.

I'm trying to eat healthier.  I had a bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's 
tonight.  My company helped; they bought us all pizza for lunch 
today.  I backslid some; I had a diet Coke with the pizza.  Even with 
all the evidence about how bad that stuff is for you, I still lapsed 
and had one.  I'm only human.  But with the weekend upon us, hopefully 
I won't be around such bad influences, at least for a few days.
scott
response 35 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 06:15 UTC 2003

Re 30:  Yeah, that's possible at your current age.  By the time you get to
25 or 30 your metabolism will start shift from "child" to "adult" and all of
a sudden you'll find yourself 20 pounds heavier.
keesan
response 36 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 12:00 UTC 2003

My metabolism must have shifted in the opposite direction as I have been
losing weight since about age 25, after I stopped eating dorm food, which like
restaurant food is very greasy.  I now weight about 25 pounds less.
sj2
response 37 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 19:35 UTC 2003

Didn't they test coke/pepsi somewhere by leaving a tooth in it?? And it 
dissolved.

And a college campus, some kid drank 11 cokes and fainted due to excess 
CO2 in his system??

Personally, i have chronic acidity and coke/pepsi/other carbonated 
drinks make it worse.
other
response 38 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 19:52 UTC 2003

There's a carbonated drink named after me?
senna
response 39 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 01:40 UTC 2003

#35:  I anticipate that happening around 30 or so for me, where my good
fortune on the body type front evaporates the same way it did for the other
members of my dad's family.  All of them were sticks when I was young, and
there is a fair amount of gut and "baggage" floating around.  Nothing
ridiculous, but it happened within my lifetime.
jaklumen
response 40 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 05:38 UTC 2003

resp:34 you'll get thinner by eating soup (homemade or otherwise) than 
eating most salads.  The dressing, I'd imagine, is the kicker.  (Oil 
and vinegar instead?)  Caesar salads seem to be the worst, and I can't 
imagine Cobb or some chef salads being trimming, either.

...but I have taken a liking to spinach greens with mandarin oranges 
topped with plain sliced almonds and raspberry vinagrette.

resp:37 Those sound like urban legends.
scott
response 41 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 05:48 UTC 2003

Re 38:  You don't remember the big "Coke Other" campaign 4-5 years ago?  It
was sort of a transparent green, and the commercials featured Carrothead.
Pretty much killed his career, as I recall.
keesan
response 42 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 13 12:37 UTC 2003

My brother eats a lot in restaurants and he does not like vegetables.  He has
a paunch.  So weight is not just genetic.  Eating soup fills up your stomach,
which for some people means that they will eat less after that.
gull
response 43 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 15:34 UTC 2003

I figure weight gain or loss is all about how many calories you eat compared
to how many you burn.  Whenever you hear one category of food declared to be
"evil" and the cause of weight gain, a few years later they're saying
something else, so I tend to think it's best to avoid fad diets like Atkins.

That doesn't exonerate soda, because it has a lot of calories, but it
doesn't make it worse than any other high-calorie food.
keesan
response 44 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 16:41 UTC 2003

Milk (unskimmed) is also high calorie and soda is much less nutritious.  I
think they are about the same calories per cup - 120 for milk.  Meat is very
high calorie.
slynne
response 45 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 17:18 UTC 2003

I have read that the reason the Atkins diet works is because people who 
are on it eat fewer calories. And one theory about that is that fat and 
protein keep a person from feeling hungry longer than simple carbs. I 
have also heard that an Atkins like diet that allows whole grains is 
just as effective. Of course, I dont have any personal experience with 
either of those diets. 
keesan
response 46 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 17:32 UTC 2003

I think it would be difficult for someone who regularly consumes refined sugar
not to lose weight if they cut out refined sugar completely.
glenda
response 47 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 19:18 UTC 2003

Again, it depends on how much refined sugar they eat in the first place, and
how much other garbage is eaten and how much exercise is done.  It is the
whole diet and lifestyle that need changing, not just ONE aspect.  Changing
the lifestyle one aspect at a time as you adjust to it is a good start.
edina
response 48 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 19:20 UTC 2003

Depends on what they're doing to supplement it.
jules
response 49 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 20:24 UTC 2003

okay. im on the diet my health club supports. its rather like stkins without
throwing your body into keytosis, which we dont believe to be healthy. ive
lost about 50 lbs and feel great. i am less food obsessed than i have ever
been in my life.

things i have learned. all the "low fat" diets really dont work so well.
burning fat has alot more to do with how much insulin your body produces when
you eat too much refined sugar/carbohydrates. there is a reason those people
with a slim fast are fat. its because they are wrong.

lynne is very right. since switching to a low carb way of eating, i notice
myself rarely actually being hungry or even munching. i honestly just dont
think about food. i used to obsess. constantly.

my cholesterol has dropped over 100 pts to a very low number. 

i have much more energy.

have that bacon cheeseburger. just dont eat the bun.
have a nachos bellgrande with no chips.

i eat lots of eggs. lots of cheese. slim jims. sugar free ice cream.

weight watchers is coming out with a lower carb program. literally, just
losing the diet soda and juice/sweetened beverage habit is one of the single
healthiest things you can do for your body. and lose the chips and candy.

when i do crave chocolate, carbolife makes a chocolate bar i like.

and sometimes, i choose a weekend day to splurge and have extra carbs. 

and i keep losing weight. 

there isnt a magic pill or magic cure. watch how much freakin sugar you eat.
excercise. and remember, bread = sugar once your body breaks it down.
keesan
response 50 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 21:18 UTC 2003

Fat and protein are also broken down to sugar.  I would be dead if I lost 50
pounds.  Jim measured his cholesterol count once at under 125 so he would be
dead if it went down much.  Your no-starch diet may work for losing weight
fast but it is likely to make you rather sick in the long run.
jules
response 51 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 14 23:45 UTC 2003

thats actually not what the research shows. yes, if you go into keytosis and
break out the starvation hormones, its not good for you. which is why, though
i think atkins discovered something major, i dont totally agree with the
atkins diet. low carb is very different than no carb. think about eating raw.
before food is over processed and canned and boxed and all that crap we do
to it. meat. eggs. cheese. fish. whole grains. vegetables. fresh fruit.
butter. 

as opposed to dairy queen, bread, rolls, potatoes, candy, the amazing amount
of high sugar drinks we consume, more bread, macaroni and cheese, sweetened
cereal.

and low carb isnt designed for "speedy" weight loss. you put it on slowly,
and you need to take it off slowly, if you are overweight. but there are so
many other reasons to eat a low sugar healthy diet. and you mention that fats
and protiens turn to sugar. yes, but they dont cause your body to over produce
insulin to process the vast amount of sugar we consume on a daily basis.

keesan
response 52 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 01:29 UTC 2003

It sounds like what you are doing is not low carbohydrate but avoiding refined
carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour, which is an excellent idea.
We eat brown rice, millet, quinoa, sometimes whole wheat macaroni, and oatmeal
and sometimes barley and rye bread and wheat bread and potatoes.

Jim points out that cheese has lactose, a carbohydrate (sugar).

Good luck with your diet - you must be learning lots about nutrition and
cooking that you can share.
gelinas
response 53 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 14:47 UTC 2003

When I was in fourth grade, one of my classmates put a small chunk of meat
into a bottle of Coke as an experiment.  Over the course of a week or so, the
chunk got smaller.  It occurs to me know that another process could have been
involved, but it convinced us that Coke wasn't particularly 'safe'.  Not that
we stopped drinking it, mind you.
gull
response 54 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 15:26 UTC 2003

I think most of the ability to dissolve stuff that people associate with
Coke is due to its acidity.  A glass of orange juice would probably have
similar effects.
slynne
response 55 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 16:34 UTC 2003

As would the acids that are already in your stomach ;)
tod
response 56 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 15 20:00 UTC 2003

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gull
response 57 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 16 13:50 UTC 2003

I guess, technically, you could fit that into the Atkins diet. ;)
tod
response 58 of 67: Mark Unseen   Jul 16 23:48 UTC 2003

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