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Grex > Scifi > #55: Definition of Star Wars canon. | |
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tpryan
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response 34 of 50:
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May 2 16:19 UTC 2001 |
I also got the impression that at the end of Return of the Jedi
that Anakin, Kenobi and Yoda where ready for the next place in the
force after watching over Luke (and Leia). Something they could not
do for a long time.
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dbratman
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response 35 of 50:
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May 2 21:19 UTC 2001 |
resp:32 - Vader can be a master and a slave of the Dark Side at the
same time. "Master: a person very skilled in some work, profession,
science, etc."
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scott
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response 36 of 50:
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May 2 22:29 UTC 2001 |
In other words, he's a middle manager. ;)
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ashke
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response 37 of 50:
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May 3 01:32 UTC 2001 |
35: There is one Master, one Apprentice. Vader was not the master.
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dbratman
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response 38 of 50:
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May 9 21:55 UTC 2001 |
Jeez Louise. I said "master" with a small m, not with a large M. All
I meant was that Vader is knowledgable about the Force. Good grief.
This is the kind of obnoxious hairsplitting that gives science-fiction
fans a bad name.
In any case, he said to Obi-Wan, "Now I am the Master." Maybe he was
mistaken.
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ashke
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response 39 of 50:
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May 10 02:20 UTC 2001 |
he only meant that because Obi-Wan was his master in the good side of the
force, he trained him, and in some thoughts, the only way to truly become a
master is the death of the one who taught you, otherwise you are forever a
student to them.
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albaugh
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response 40 of 50:
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May 16 04:24 UTC 2001 |
Just watched Empire Strikes Back last night. Now recall from the Episode I
novel and movie that the syth fought among each other, killed each other off,
so that "in the end" there were only 2 syth lords existing at once, a master
and an aprentice. But in ESB (episode 5) Darth Vader and the Emporer are
talking about turning Luke to the dark side, so that he could become a
powerful ally. Based on past history, that couldn't work. So the Emporer
should just have had Vader kill Luke to end the threat, since there were
already the 2 syth in place - the Emporer as master, and Vader as apprentice.
I could see Vader secretly plotting - as he proposed to Luke - to have Luke
join him to overthrow the Emporer, thus yielding Vader as master and Luke as
apprentice syth. But I can't see the Emporer actively supporting trying to
turn Luke to the dark side.
I can only chalk this up to ESB coming out 20+ years before Phantom Menace,
where all this syth stuff got worked out. :-)
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ashke
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response 41 of 50:
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May 16 12:11 UTC 2001 |
But you're forgetting Jedi, and how while the emperor wanted Luke to give in
to his dark side, he wanted him to either kill Vader OR kill the emperor
himself. He can clone himself again after a time. Luke was Vader's only
weakness, and by turning him to the darkside there was nothing that could
redeem Anakin/Vader's good side.
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madelf
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response 42 of 50:
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May 16 21:51 UTC 2001 |
Also if Luke had turned and managed to kill Vader they would have been back
to 2, master and aprentice.
If you haven't seen it yet find the Star Wars fan-film Duality for an
interesting look at Sith apprentice training techniques.
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jep
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response 43 of 50:
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Jun 30 21:10 UTC 2001 |
The Saga Begins
(Al Yankovic)
To the tune of "American Pie"
From the CD "Running with Scissors"
A long, long time ago
In a galaxy far away
Naboo was under an attack
And I thought me and Qui-Gon Jinn
Could talk the Federation into
Maybe cutting them a little slack
But their response, it didn't thrill us
They locked the doors and tried to kill us
We escaped from that gas
Then met jar Jar and Boss Nass
We took a bongo from the scene
And we went to Theed to see the queen
We all wound up on Tatooine
That's where we found this boy...
Oh my my, this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Saying "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
Did you know this junkyard slave
Isn't even old enough to shave
But he can use the Force, they say
Ahh, do yo usee him hitting on the queen
Though he's just nine and she's fourteen
Yeah, he's probably gonna marry her someday
Well, I know he built C-PO
And I've heard how fast his pod can go
And we were broke, it's true
So we made a wager or two
He was a prepubescent flyin' ace
And the moment Jabba started off that race
Well, I knew who would win first place
Oh yes, it was our boy
We started singin'... My my, this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Saying "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
Now we finally got to Coruscant
The Jedi Council we knew would want
To see how good the boy could be
So we took him there and we told the tale
How his midi-chlorians were off the scale
And he might fill that prophecy
Oh, the council was impresed, of course
Could he bring balance to the Force?
They interviewed the kid
Oh, training they forbid
Because Yoda sensed in him much fear
And Qui-Gon said "Now listen here
Just stick it in your pointy ear
I still will teach this boy"
He was singin'... My my, this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Saying "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
We caught a ride back to Naboo
'Cause Queen Amidala wanted to
I frankly would've liked to stay
We all fought in that epic war
And it wasn't long at all before
Little Hotshot flew his plane and saved the day
And in the end some Gungans died
Some ships blew up and some pilots fried
A lot of folks were croakin'
The battle droids were broken
And the Jedi I admire most
Met up with Darth Maul and now he's toast
Well, I'm still here and he's a ghost
I guess I'll train this boy
And I was singin'... My my, this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Saying "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
We were singin'... My my, this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Saying "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
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jep
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response 44 of 50:
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Jun 30 21:11 UTC 2001 |
I was impressed by how accurately Weird Al told the story of "The
Phantom Menace", and how much he covered in a song only a few minutes
long. He does a pretty nice job, I think.
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madelf
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response 45 of 50:
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Jul 1 03:58 UTC 2001 |
A few posts back I mentioned the fan film Duality. Once you watch that watch
Two-Ness. They are both available on www.theforce.net
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dbratman
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response 46 of 50:
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Jul 1 15:49 UTC 2001 |
The superior pleasure of listening to this song over actually watching
the movie is immeasurable.
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jep
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response 47 of 50:
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Jul 2 14:56 UTC 2001 |
Now, that's going a bit too far. It's a nice song, but not at all a bad
movie.
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tpryan
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response 48 of 50:
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Jul 2 16:09 UTC 2001 |
Okay, "Weird Al" would get a passing grade in his Filking 101
class. He told the story in the song. That's it. Frankly, I had a
hard time figureing out who the point of view singer is; Ben does not
know of Anakin's future at this point. Only us fen and George Lucas
know that.
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robh
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response 49 of 50:
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Jul 2 22:49 UTC 2001 |
I may be a seriously geeky SF fan, but even I'm not worried that
the singer of the song (clearly young Kenobi) is referring to
things that won't happen until later movies. It's just a funny
song, not a dramatic novel...
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dbratman
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response 50 of 50:
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Jul 9 07:13 UTC 2001 |
resp:47 - not a bad movie? Indeed not: that's far too mild. It's one
of the two or three very worst films I've ever watched all the way
through, ghod knows why I bothered.
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