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remmers
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response 34 of 58:
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May 21 11:00 UTC 2002 |
Re #32: Hm. I don't know why you would get that error.
The nifty thing about FrontTalk is that it supports distributed
conferencing. When you're running FrontTalk -- on Grex, on your
home machine, whatever -- you can in principle access any
conference on any machine running BackTalk.
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jmsaul
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response 35 of 58:
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May 21 16:03 UTC 2002 |
Aha. I get it now. That really is cool.
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cross
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response 36 of 58:
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May 21 19:45 UTC 2002 |
I'd rather see something like fronttalk, too. I wonder, Jan, how hard
would it be to slip in SSL support?
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jaklumen
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response 37 of 58:
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May 21 21:27 UTC 2002 |
resp:34 I'm sorry, I don't quite get it-- which conferences on which
machines running BackTalk? I'm not a technie, so please be more
specific.
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spooked
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response 38 of 58:
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May 21 22:40 UTC 2002 |
Aside.
Congrats on the bubbie Jon - she's a cutie - you must be proud :-)
End-of-Aside.
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cross
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response 39 of 58:
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May 22 00:52 UTC 2002 |
Huh. I thought ``Bubbie'' was Yiddish for Grandmother.
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jaklumen
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response 40 of 58:
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May 22 09:59 UTC 2002 |
thanks, Mic-- yes, I am, and yes, she is.
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janc
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response 41 of 58:
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Jun 3 03:17 UTC 2002 |
I don't understand Joe's error message. "(null): Permission denied, bozo"
is not a message I would have though Fronttalk capable of producing.
Definately not my style of error message.
If I got around to installing the latest copy of Backtalk on HVCN, you'd be
able to read hvcn conference on Grex by doing "ft hvcn:design". Of course,
you'd need an account there to be able to post. Fronttalk looks almost
exactly like Picospan, but it's actually a specialized web browser, making
http requests to Backtalk to read, post, etc. It's partly slow because of
that, but mostly because it's written in Perl instead of C.
Backtalk is a conferencing system. It's installed in about half a dozen
places on the net. The only really active one other than Grex is
www.rc-racing.com. If I upgraded all of these sites to the latest version
of Backtalk, with some add-on's to support Fronttalk, then you'd be able to
access conferences on any of them from Grex, or from your own computer.
Basically Fronttalk is a quick and dirty way to build a client-server
conferencing system. It would need a lot more work to really become serious,
and it probably isn't the ideal way to build such a system. But it's at least
a taste of what could be done.
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jmsaul
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response 42 of 58:
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Jun 3 13:26 UTC 2002 |
I promise you that I didn't make the message up. I copied it and pasted it
as is. (The smiley afterwards is mine.)
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jmsaul
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response 43 of 58:
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Jun 3 13:28 UTC 2002 |
It's even replicable:
**** copied text follows
Ok: ^D
You are now leaving Spring agora.
grex.cyberspace.org% ft
FrontTalk 0.2.4
Copyright 2001, Jan Wolter
Connected to server
(null): Permission denied, bozo
Welcome to the Spring 2002 Agora!
Your Host: Katie Geddes
New Users: Welcome to Grex!
This conference has been restarted. Type "join winter" for the old version.
227 brandnew items
First item 1, last 229
Browse (item list), Read (new items),
Join confname (type "help conf" for a list of conferences),
Help (for more help), pine (for e-mail)
Quit (to exit) or !change (to change settings).
Ok:
****
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davel
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response 44 of 58:
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Jun 4 01:47 UTC 2002 |
Hmm. Do you happen to have a .cflist with an empty first line or something?
(Or a conference named ",bozo"?) Seems unlikely ...
For what it's worth, when I run it, it comes up looking almost exactly like
picospan, with the first conference in my .cflist. No weird error messages.
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janc
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response 45 of 58:
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Jun 4 02:13 UTC 2002 |
He doesn't have a .cflist. .cfonce looks pretty normal too. I'd have to do
some work to figure out where that message is coming from. It is vaguely
familiar, but I can't place it.
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other
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response 46 of 58:
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Jun 4 06:10 UTC 2002 |
Check .cshrc?
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spooked
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response 47 of 58:
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Jun 4 13:36 UTC 2002 |
I've gotten the bozo message everytime I've run Fronttalk, too - which has
been something like 15 times over a number of months.
I don't have a .cflist file either... might help... good luck in
tracking the problem down.
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davel
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response 48 of 58:
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Jun 4 21:41 UTC 2002 |
Hmm. And spooked appears to use bash, as I do, not csh like jmsaul.
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spooked
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response 49 of 58:
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Jun 5 03:22 UTC 2002 |
That's right (I use the bash shell).
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wwwkb
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response 50 of 58:
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Jun 5 18:10 UTC 2002 |
I have a .cflist and I am using bash and I just received the error as well
when I tried to run ft:
Ok: quit
You have now left the Co-op conference.
bash-2.05$ ft
FrontTalk 0.2.4
Copyright 2001, Jan Wolter
Connected to server
(null): Permission denied, bozo
The only difference between Mic G. is that I have a .cflist. Well I am sure
there are other differences but really do we have to be picky. 8-)
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wwwkb
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response 51 of 58:
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Jun 5 18:25 UTC 2002 |
Now this is really getting weird. I am receiving this - (null): Permission
denied, bozo - after every valid command entered. Here is a couple for you
to see:
Ok: browse 101
(null): Permission denied, bozo
Ok: read 101
(null): Permission denied, bozo
When I completed my previous post and ended it with I '.' on a line by itself
I received the error too. See:
*****
>there are other differences but really do we have to be picky. 8-)
>.
(null): Permission denied, bozo
*****
Is it possible that I am actually in FrontTalk and there is an actual
permission problem?
JMSaul or spooked did y'all see this as well? For clarification my error was
just like jmsaul. After the error the conference started up for me and I
continued to make these responses. Guys when you got the errors did you stay
in the conference that had started after the error or did you exit out?
Jan it's your baby. What did we break? 8-D
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jmsaul
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response 52 of 58:
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Jun 6 02:13 UTC 2002 |
I get the same thing you're getting, but it executes the command after telling
me that:
Ok: browse
(null): Permission denied, bozo
item nresp header
1 311 Welcome To Spring
2 438 General Announcements Item
3 25 Grex System Announcements
<item is linked>
4 180 Grex System Problems
<item is linked>
5 63 Other Conferences on Grex
(etc.)
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styles
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response 53 of 58:
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Jun 6 23:30 UTC 2002 |
heh.
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davel
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response 54 of 58:
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Jun 8 14:13 UTC 2002 |
Well, for what it's worth:
> Respond or pass? !ft
> FrontTalk 0.2.4
> Copyright 2001, Jan Wolter
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> Connected to server
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> >> JELLYWARE <<
> -*-
> we talk of
> C & Unix things
> here
> -*-
> your host
> marcus watts (mdw)
> -*-
>
> 2 newresponse items
> First item 1, last 472
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> Ok: q
>
> JELLYWARE bids you a good day
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> !
I don't see that message. It's kind of a cute one, but I don't suppose it
is if you see it all the time.
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janc
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response 55 of 58:
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Sep 27 15:53 UTC 2002 |
In case anyone still cares, I found the bug that caused the strange message
discussed above. It'll be fixed in the next Fronttalk release.
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cross
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response 56 of 58:
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Sep 27 16:55 UTC 2002 |
Cool; what was the bug? That was a *strange* error message.
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janc
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response 57 of 58:
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Sep 27 21:32 UTC 2002 |
Backtalk, when run from the web, runs a program called "partutil" that
permits your participation files read/write to group cfadmg. This
enables Backtalk to read and write your participation files, although it
isn't running as you, nor as group. Partutil is an suid root program,
written to be paranoid.
When you run Fronttalk on Grex, it runs backtalk directly, instead of
running making an HTTP connection to it. In this case, Backtalk is
actually running as you, so it doesn't need partutil. However, in some
instances, partutil would get called anyway. That's the bug. It's a
harmless bug, except that partutil, seeing that it was being run by
someone other than the user http runs as, declined to run. Being an
suid root program being run by an unauthorized user, it printed a rather
rude error message: "Permission denied, bozo" and declined to run.
So I've fixed Backtalk so that it doesn't run partutil unnecessarily,
and I've fixed partutil to print a slightly less rude message.
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cross
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response 58 of 58:
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Sep 28 22:09 UTC 2002 |
Heh. :-)
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