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Grex > Coop > #278: Grex Town Hall -- How do we move forward? |  |
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kentn
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response 329 of 357:
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Jul 12 21:08 UTC 2010 |
Re 324, so that's an excuse to repeat the mistakes of the past? I don't
find that a credible argument. Exceptional circumstances sometimes call
for exceptional measures but not necessarily now. Honestly, if people
won't pay for a membership, even the Board, we are in big trouble. I've
encouraged the Board to pay up to be in line with the by-laws. We'll
see how that goes. The idea of a 3 month membership that could be made
retroactive into a yearly membership sounds like a good idea to me, if
we can get the by-laws changed to allow that. It would even apply to
the Board.
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richard
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response 330 of 357:
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Jul 12 22:06 UTC 2010 |
I like Mary's idea of moving the conferencing to a new platform. If
this is done, wouldn't a benefit of it be that the corporate structure
of grex-- which is to say 'cyberspace communications, inc." could
finally be disolved? It is beyond obvious that whatever users are left
here are not really enough to support a corporation and there aren't
any other non profit activities going on that this corporation
supports.
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mary
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response 331 of 357:
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Jul 12 22:17 UTC 2010 |
Except I wasn't suggesting moving anything. Everything here would
continue as it otherwise would. A second system would not look or behave
anything like this one. It would be quite different, actually. Or at
least that's my hope.
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rcurl
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response 332 of 357:
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Jul 13 03:51 UTC 2010 |
If the bylaws are changed to change the dues, I recommend that the bylaws
simply give the Board the authority to set the dues. It is rather unusual for
bylaws to give specific financial specifications, like dues.
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lar
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response 333 of 357:
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Jul 13 03:57 UTC 2010 |
greedy cocksuckers...
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richard
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response 334 of 357:
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Jul 13 05:53 UTC 2010 |
I don't think dues should be asked for unless the board submits a plan
for the future of grex. Right now as Grex's future looks bleak and
nothing changes, you aren't making an argument for why this organization
is worth supporting. Don't raise dues, or even ask for dues, until
things get better. If Grex proves itself viable again there will be
support for it, n the meantime its bills are minimal and it has money in
the bank to last at least another year. I would suggest that doing
anything about dues right now should in no way be a priority.
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lar
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response 335 of 357:
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Jul 13 10:06 UTC 2010 |
a busted clock is right twice a day and richard has the day's first
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mary
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response 336 of 357:
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Jul 13 10:47 UTC 2010 |
I want to be a voting member so I'm sending in $18. Now, if nobody else
does I guess it's all going to pretty much go my way. ;-)
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slynne
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response 337 of 357:
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Jul 13 14:28 UTC 2010 |
resp:336 I was thinking of getting 10 of my closest friend memberships
as gifts and then starting a movement to remove certain items by
membership vote just to see if I could get people to complain about it
for the next ENTIRE decade!
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denise
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response 338 of 357:
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Jul 13 14:34 UTC 2010 |
I've paid my dues for 6 months so there's a couple of us members that
can vote. Plus the couple other paid up members. We're on a roll! :-)
I do like the idea of a 3 month membership.
[Lynne slipped in...]
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keesan
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response 339 of 357:
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Jul 13 14:36 UTC 2010 |
Have the two phone lines been dropped yet? I don't want to be paying for
lines that nobody is using.
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lar
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response 340 of 357:
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Jul 13 15:42 UTC 2010 |
re# 337
you were "thinking" i doubt if it amouted to much
re#339
stfu shopping cart girl,you pay nothing anyway
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kentn
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response 341 of 357:
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Jul 13 16:09 UTC 2010 |
Re 339: see coop item 279 for the decision on this. I've been told
that the request for one line to be dropped has been made to the phone
company. I'm unsure if that has occurred yet. It's up to the phone
company once the request has been made.
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cross
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response 342 of 357:
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Jul 13 16:24 UTC 2010 |
Something that seems to be missed here....
Grex is not just the BBS and party. Grex is a collection of things
that includes those two, but they are not the sum of what Grex is. If
the conferences are not used, that just means that that one part of
the community is dying; that doesn't mean that Grex isn't used for
other things (it is, all the time: people login to Grex for
interactive use of Unix). In fact, I'd guess that this latter group
outweighs the former by quite a bit now.
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richard
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response 343 of 357:
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Jul 13 16:27 UTC 2010 |
grex should also set a date where it will stop offering offsite email.
you want offsite email? go to hotmail or gmail. at one point offering
free email was a needed service but that was years ago. grex doesn't
need to be in the email business at all now.
re #342 grex was formed to be a community, not to be a place where
assorted people can play around with unix.
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kentn
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response 344 of 357:
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Jul 13 17:40 UTC 2010 |
So much for the "intellectual enrichment" aspect of Grex's principles,
then. Learning about Unix is intellectual enrichment for some. The
idea that Grex is about one or two things just isn't so, as Dan points
out. Grex is different things to different people. Included in that is
learning about Unix and about programming languages (hence conferences
dedicated to those topics). A community does not need to go forward in
lockstep, doing the same one or two things all the time. A community
can be diverse in terms of interests, too. I'd like to see Grex offer
more opportunities for people to get interested in Unix, programming,
system administration, and application development in addition to
improving the conferencing system and adding other ways for people to
communicate.
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mary
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response 345 of 357:
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Jul 13 18:05 UTC 2010 |
So agree with Kent.
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kentn
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response 346 of 357:
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Jul 13 20:28 UTC 2010 |
Re 332: yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Putting in specific
numbers for the dues just makes it harder to change if we need
to. While that may have been the orginal intent, times (and the
economy) have changed and will continue to change.
Re 334: The Board is working on a plan right now. This item was for
getting some ideas of what people want to see, as input into a plan.
Speak up if you have ideas that will help in planning what Grex should
do going forward. But remember, that just saying Grex needs to improve
or be better is not specific to what needs to be done. My idea of
"better" may not be your idea of "better."
[Obligatory Disclaimer:
Ideas expressed in this item may be used by Grex for planning the
future operations of the system and the organization. No guarantee is
given that ANY idea given here will end up in a final plan for Grex
going forward or influence Grex's operations, but it's likely some
will.]
Re 342: In regard to adding more tools for programming, I mentioned
that in response 8 above, so this item has not been all about the
BBS and party, though certainly those have been in the majority of
comments. Anyway, I'm all for tools and information that could help
people program and use Unix, including new languages, debuggers, etc.
Maybe we could even do some tutorials on our web site?
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sholmes
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response 347 of 357:
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Jul 14 01:47 UTC 2010 |
Learning unix on grex I feel is outdated especially when you can get a
decent linux/freebsd etc boxes for quite cheap. Dirt cheap if sindi
helps. I doubt anyone would take the trouble to connect to grex just to
practise his unix skills. But then again its what i think. The actual
usage of grex maybe quite opposite.
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lar
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response 348 of 357:
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Jul 14 03:03 UTC 2010 |
m-net has plenty of students that use it to learn unix.just login and
do a "w" and see what they are doing.haven't seen too much of that on
grex
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kentn
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response 349 of 357:
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Jul 14 12:46 UTC 2010 |
And, not everyone has the time, skills, or money (even though it's not
all that expensive since an old computer will do) to put together a
linux/*bsd box to play on. People quite often need to learn Unix for
school or for work and would rather invest their time in aspects other
than building a unix box. If we can make that learning process easier
so much the better (and it's in line with our mission).
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cross
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response 350 of 357:
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Jul 14 15:38 UTC 2010 |
resp:344 Kent hits it so on the head here.
resp:343 Whatever Grex was formed to be is only tangentially relevant at
this point, in my opinion.
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keesan
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response 351 of 357:
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Jul 14 21:43 UTC 2010 |
I get most of my mail at grex and might go away if the mail goes away.
sdf has no spam filter.
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lar
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response 352 of 357:
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Jul 15 15:36 UTC 2010 |
yeah well let us know when you have upgraded to win95
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tod
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response 353 of 357:
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Jul 15 19:22 UTC 2010 |
Plus has the Ted Nugent intro, right?
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