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scholar
response 327 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:10 UTC 2006

By the way:  Far from being equivalent to a drink of whiskey (which has about
37 millilitres of alcohol), a standard dose of 25% alcohol NyQuil would have
7 millilitres of alcohol.  We're talking about VERY small amounts of alcohol.
richard
response 328 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:29 UTC 2006

scholar I provided my source.  I don't even see on yours where it says 
ten percent.  Why would my source document all those medecines and 
their alcohol percentages, and its a reputable source, and you not 
believe it?  Vicks is always going to downplay the alcohol content in 
their product.  They want you to think its a miracle drug when its not.

Anyway providing documented information, which I did, is not lying.  
And it really doesn't matter if it is 10% or 25%, it is still the 
largest percentage ingredient, active or inactive, in the product.  
scholar
response 329 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:34 UTC 2006

You're dumb.

If a pharmaceutical company lied on its website (even if Richard Wallner is
too dumb to find the lie) or on the packaging of its products about how much
alcohol is in them, they would get the shit beaten out of them by the
government, consumers, etc.

Fact is, you're lying and even if you weren't, it still woudln't be nearly
enough alcohol to provide the effect you're attributing to it.
slynne
response 330 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 06:45 UTC 2006

resp:322 Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it but dont find myself
getting to central Ann Arbor much these days. Luckily, there are lots of
nice places to walk here in Ypsi. I am doing a program designed by a
couple of experts on eating disorders right now and part of that program
is to "create an environment of plenty" by grocery shopping often. One
of my walking routes takes me by the Ypsi food coop. Even though food is
more expensive there, it is mostly natural and stuff that I like. So I
think I am going to try to make a habit of going there a couple of times
a week.
glenda
response 331 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 07:10 UTC 2006

Re #313:  Recommending alcohol as a remedy or medical aid for anything is
really a bad idea.  Why would I want to trade pain (that shows that I am at
least still alive) for alcoholism.  That's the amount I would have to take.
That aside, I am severly allergic to Nyquil.  The one time I tried it I could
feel my muscles go numb and unresponsive.  Even my diaphram started to freeze
up, fortunately only enough to make breathing a conscious effert and not
enough to stop it altogether.  Night time alcohol is out because of other
medications I take at bedtime.  A long time ago I decided that breathing was
much more important and thrilling than drinking.  I like alcohol, I am part
Native American, I know that I have addiction problems and would prefer that
the addictions remain to caffeine and chocolate rather than alcohol.  I don't
drink as a rule as a matter of choice, I probably have less than 5 drinks a
year and prefer it that way.  I don't think that regular drinking for any
reason is a good idea, occasional social drinking ok, regular drinking to deal
with other problems bad.
rcurl
response 332 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 07:34 UTC 2006

There is no question that alcohol in Nyquil or any other such nostrum is an
active ingredient. It is just not an "active ingredient". 
scholar
response 333 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 08:00 UTC 2006

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scholar
response 334 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 08:07 UTC 2006

Re. 332:  When you begin to act like three lousy milligrams of alcohol are
going to have a significant impact on someone's life, you run the risk of
trivializing the experiences of millions of Americans who have had their lives
ruined because of alcohol.
furs
response 335 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 12:41 UTC 2006

If you need help falling asleep at night, just read Grex.
remmers
response 336 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 13:14 UTC 2006

Crossword puzzles work for me.
happyboy
response 337 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 20:25 UTC 2006

re330: say hi to corrine from me!
scholar
response 338 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 20:52 UTC 2006

I meant millilitres.
mary
response 339 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 14:43 UTC 2006

The U of M hospital is soon to start a bariatric surgery program.  In 
preparation I just completed a six hour course designed to inform the 
medical professional about the patient population, the different 
procedures, the surgical risks, the post-op care, etc.  I have met quite a 
few people who have gone this route, after much deliberation, and who are 
very pleased with their decision.  If I met the criteria and felt it
was my best shot at a healthier and happier future, I'd have the surgery.

It's not for everyone.  In fact, some of the criteria for undergoing the 
procedure is you have to be morbidly obese, have comorbidities, and have 
failed for years trying standard approaches for weight loss.  But it is 
indeed the answer for many and it changes lives.  If you are happy with
yourself and your health, this isn't for you.

Here is a link to a site with steaming video of laproscopic gastric 
bypass surgery.  Just follow the links but know it's 90 minutes long.

http://liteandhope.or-live.com/




slynne
response 340 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 17:51 UTC 2006

I just read a news article that talked about low blood sugar being a 
side effect of this surgery because apparently it causes the pancreas 
to produce more insulin. The article suggested that it might make the 
surgury more appropriate for people who have been diagnosed with type 2 
diabetes but slightly more dangerous for people who havent been. 

keesan
response 341 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 18:46 UTC 2006

I just found in a Better Homes and Gardens magazine a little pull-out paper
from United Health Foundation listing normal BMIs.  Mine is about 20 (low
normal) and Jim is 24 (top end of normal).  To be overweight I would need to
weigh about 155 (it used to be 150).  Definitions are changing as the American
people get heavier.  No wonder people weighing 75% of 'average' are more
healthy than average.

Diseases and health problems related to obesity:
Type 2 diabetes
Heart disease
High blood pressure
Stroke
Gallstones (I think this has more to do with diet)
Liver disease (ditto)
Pulmonary disorders

The chart is such that if you are under 5' 4" (half of American women unless
they have gotten taller) you are off the chart unless you are near the top
end of healthy or above.  Surely there must be quite a few women who are 5'2
and weigh less than I do.
tod
response 342 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 19:12 UTC 2006

Give me their email if you know any
jadecat
response 343 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 19:15 UTC 2006

I think average height for American women is now 5'6".
scholar
response 344 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 19:57 UTC 2006

I weigh 6'1", but I'm not a woman.  :(
jadecat
response 345 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 20:04 UTC 2006

You weigh 6'1" huh? What's that like?
scholar
response 346 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 20:22 UTC 2006

I do it by eating oatmeal!
tod
response 347 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 20:38 UTC 2006

How much do six feet weigh?
scholar
response 348 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 20:45 UTC 2006

two yards.
jadecat
response 349 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 21:07 UTC 2006

resp:346 Ah yes, I see. We had pantry beetles that liked oatmeal too.
gull
response 350 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 02:17 UTC 2006

Re resp:168: On the other hand, some kinds of dieting may make you 
*more* of a burden on society than you would be otherwise: 
 
"Low carbohydrate, high protein diets may help to shed weight quickly 
but researchers warned on Friday that they can be unhealthy. 
 
"The diets can cause constipation, diarrhea, headache, bad breath and 
ketosis, which causes raised levels of ketones, or acids, in the body. 
 
"...In a case report in the journal, doctors at New York University 
School of Medicine said they had treated a 40-year-old obese woman, who 
had followed the Atkins diet, for a life-threatening illness known as 
ketoacidosis." 
(http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2
006-0
3-17T000703Z_01_L1675052_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-DIETS-DC.XML) 

 
Re resp:180: I think it's because it's become part of our national 
belief system that being fat is immoral.  The idea that people who do 
immoral things should be made to feel shame, because then they might 
choose a different path, seems to be part and parcel of living in a 
Christian culture. 
 
 
richard: I know a lot of skinny people who have fat pets.  In my 
experience, MOST people overfeed their pets.  I think you just notice 
it more when the person walking the pet is also fat. 
 
Also, alcohol tends to make you move less in your sleep.  Given all the 
times I've woken up with very sore joints after drinking, due to having 
slept in some awkward position, I don't think I'd recommend your 
"treatment" to someone with arthritis. 
slynne
response 351 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 18 02:33 UTC 2006

resp:350 I agree that there are a lot of people who see being fat as
being immoral. I even wrote a blog post about it a year ago:


Repent all ye sinners!
03.25.05 (1:00 pm)
This is a reply to a couple of comments made in the  Why bench seats on
the subway will ruin the world  post.

Yes, the majority of Americans are overweight according to an arbitrary
standard that is seriously flawed. But so what? What "responsibility"
for their actions should they take? I mean, I know I am fat because I
choose to eat an amount that keeps me fat. I could eat 800 calories a
day and if I did, I would be thin. I would be really hungry all the time
and really unhappy. I don t think that such a diet would be particularly
more healthy than what I eat right now. I think that my body was meant
to be fat because of my genetics. I used to get angry about the
unfairness of that until I looked around and noticed that my fat
relatives were living into their 90 s so hopefully they have passed
their good health genes to me too which is equally unfair when you think
about it. I don t see how accepting that my genes are a big factor in my
weight means that I am not accepting responsibility for my weight.

What I don t accept is a culture that treats me poorly because of my
choice to be fat. And yes, it is a choice albeit one where none of the
options are all that wonderful. My choices as I see it are 1) Eat a very
reduced calorie diet and spend hours working out every day. Which would
mean that I wouldn t have time to actually live my life since I would
pretty much be working out and thinking about my next meal all the time.
2) Get WLS which has some pretty big health risks. But it would help me
maintain a lifestyle where I could eat 800 calories a day without
feeling hungry all the time. 3) Eat a healthy diet and do some exercise
that I enjoy. Be healthier but still fat even though that means that I
have to constantly put up with all of the disadvantages of being fat.
Most of which are due to cultural issues which possibly can be changed.
Obviously I have chosen option 3. I don t think it was a bad choice
although I still get angry when society decides to discriminate against
me because of my choice. Frankly, I think that anger is a normal
response.

I think that this country has a weird thing going on where we, as a
culture, see being thin as a virtue. Which means, of course, that being
fat is a vice. It is an interesting virtue though because most thin
people do not put much effort into being thin. But some do and being
thin is seen as evidence of willpower, control over one s body, success,
etc. But in order for it to be a virtue, the opposite has to be seen as
a vice. So you get people saying things like  if you just got out and
exercised, you wouldn t be fat  or  stop eating fast food and bon bons
all day and you will lose weight  which carries the message that in
order to be fat, a person must be completely sedentary and eat a
completely unhealthy diet. But the truth is that a lot of fat people eat
very healthy diets and are quite active and a lot of thin people eat
terrible diets and sit around all day. In other words, you really can
not judge a person's behavior by their weight

In this way I kind of see a parallel between fat people and gay people.
Fat people could be thin if they go against their nature and eat an
amount of food that will keep them at a weight society determines is
acceptable. Gay people can have sex with people of the opposite gender
too if they go against their nature. But will it make them happy? If the
problem is that society frowns upon them and says that they are sinners
because of who they choose to have sex with, are they the problem or is
the problem with society at large? And if the problem with fat people is
that society frowns upon them and says that they are sinners because
they eat too much, is the problem that fat people aren t taking
responsibility or is the problem that our culture discriminates and
treats certain  sinners  poorly?

Look. I think that Americans in general tend to have terrible eating
habits and exercise habits. That probably is why as a group, we are
getting fatter than we were before. I also think that encouraging people
to eat a healthy diet and to be active are good things. But eating a
healthy diet with enough calories that they don t feel hungry (1200-2500
cal/day) and getting a moderate amount of exercise will not cause a
person to lose more than a few pounds. It certainly isnt going to turn a
fat person into a thin person.







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