response 326 of 361:

Aug 16 07:25 UTC 1995

I'm certainly quite interested in seeing a strong and healthy
sexuality conference.  I think Selena would make an excellent
fair-witness.  She's got a strong intuitive feeling for people,
and that's really one of the most important qualities of being
a good fair-witness.  I gather RobH's only real objection to
Selena is that he'd like to see more than one F-W; and therefore,
after talking over this with Selena, I believe I've thought of
a solution that ought to please everyone.  I hereby volunteer to be
a co-FW with Selena.  I believe I get along well with Selena,
and that my age and experience ought to make me a well qualified
er, victim, for this assignment.

response 328 of 361:

Aug 16 08:43 UTC 1995

wow. :)

response 330 of 361:

Aug 16 11:49 UTC 1995

Somebody care to enter a summary of the fairwitness-choosing process
that was used in this instance so that we shall have a precedent to
follow in future deliberations?  :)

response 332 of 361:

Aug 17 00:45 UTC 1995

  I think in a "sexuality" conf, the topic is such that it demands that
there be a male AND female FW, otherwise there could be some complaints
about perspective playing too large a role in judgements.  
  Selena and Marcus would do fine, Im sure.  I think that in order to
avoid previous problems , the fw's of "sexuality" (or adult or whatever)
should be given silent co-fw status in the "cflirting" conf so they can
automatically link and delete questionable material.  Because of the
subject matter, the only way to keep it serious is to give the fw's
that sort of latitude.

And I REALLY *really* think these three and four year old drift items
in sexuality have to go.  I dont know why people are so attached to them
particularly since there havent been responses in some of them in
months or YEARS!

response 334 of 361:

Aug 17 03:36 UTC 1995

Ditto.

response 336 of 361:

Aug 18 00:36 UTC 1995

duh. I thought it *did* reflect what Grex has become. my mistake. :*

response 338 of 361:

Aug 18 01:24 UTC 1995

      This is a huge problem with Grex in general.  Many of the old time
Grexers think Grex has gone to hell and dont give a damn about it these
days.  The ones who do still care are on a ridiculous nostalgia trip and
arent interested in re-inventing any part of Grex.  This bit about keeping
the sexuality drift items because they show how great the old days were is 
typical.  Grex has changed and there are plenty of older users who dont
want to change along with it.
  Sidhe is right with what he was saying about staff in some respects.  How
are new users supposed to feel welcome and stay on grex when half of staff
would rather keep old drift items and dead confs, and some want to see Grex
ignore its heavy 'net usage and turn it back into a local board?
  Grex is what it is today, not what it was yesterday.  Stop whining for the
old days and stop putting down what it has become.  There are some of us who
dont think it is half bad and can even be better than it was.  But Grex
needs to live in the present.  For better or for worse!  And nobody who
think otherwise should be fw'ing a conf or running for a seat on the board.
  .

response 340 of 361:

Aug 18 04:23 UTC 1995

Of course Grex should reflect the current peole using it, but Grex also does
have a history, and Grex shouldn't try to hide from it.  To say that in order
to reflect the current Grex users we need to get rid of everything that isn't
completely modern would be like tearing down all buildings that are over X
years old, because they don't reflect the current population of the place they
are in.  Think of all the beautiful old buildings in the world.  Should we
really be tearing them all down?  Wiping out old conferences simply for the
sake of wiping out old conferences would ammount to the same thing.

response 342 of 361:

Aug 19 05:29 UTC 1995

        Maybe someday the reigns will actually get handed over,
and then you'l know what's to become of sexuality.

response 344 of 361:

Aug 19 06:32 UTC 1995

I'm not sure what network policy has to do with conference proposals.
Perhaps that's some of the `drift' kerouac was complaining about?
Nevertheless, as a grex "old-timer", and as a staff person, I'll say
that I think network access is one of the best things to have happened
to grex.  To the best of my knowledge that opinion is shared by all of
the grex staff, and a lop-sided majority of "old-timers".  There *are*
problems with being on the internet, but I've never seen any serious
proposals to "turn the clock back".

The other thing kerouac alleges is that grex staff or old-timers want to
keep old items or dead conferences around?  In a sense, he's right.  A
number of grex staffers (including yours truely) are pack rats.  That
doesn't mean this should be to the detriment of newcomers; for instance
agora is, in fact, cleaned out *very* thoroughly on a regular basis.
I'm not at all sure I see what the problem is here.  I think there's an
advantage in keeping some stuff around.  It provides a sense of history
and continuity in a medium where "forever" is 2 years, and in a world
where anything "new" is automatically "better".  I have here in my hands
a book I bought long ago for 30 cents, with the words of many men long
turned to dust; hear the words of one man, one `Ecclesiastes':

Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: Behold
this is new; for it hath already gone before in the ages that were
before us.  There is no remembrance of former things; nor indeed of
those things which hereafter are to come, shall there be any remembrance
with them that shall be in the latter end.

response 346 of 361:

Aug 19 12:12 UTC 1995

Ok, as cfadm (one of them), here goes:

selena and mdw to be fairwitnesses of sexuality conf.  I'll need mail from
both selena and mdw saying so, and mail from robh agreeing.  Well, that does
sound rather dictatorial, but I have to have some way of getting an official
"let's do it" from everybody involved.  

Mail to cfadm, and it can be done within a day or two after that.

response 348 of 361:

Aug 20 01:02 UTC 1995

  I think its great to preserve old confs, we could archive sexuality
like the old agoras are archived.  just rename it oldsex.