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mcnally
response 32 of 189: Mark Unseen   May 24 05:07 UTC 1998

  I'm not exactly sure what you want Congress to do about it but whatever
  it is you're thinking of I probably wouldn't support it..  If you want
  to write letters, send them to the big record companies to tell them 
  that at $16.99/disc in many stores you're simply not interested in
  taking a chance on new music so your entertainment dollars are going
  elsewhere..  

  I think they're going to see sales drop, the question is whether they
  will draw the right conclusion -- by no means certain..  In the past
  when confronted with declining sales their strategy has seemed to be
  to cut off money spent on developing and promoting new artists and to
  funnel everything into mainstream top-40 acts who are proven sellers.
  Since this is about the exact *opposite* of what I'd like them to do,
  one might conclude that maybe they need a hint of some sort..
goose
response 33 of 189: Mark Unseen   May 27 23:43 UTC 1998

Garths pricing was totally his own (or his people's) doing, his record company
fought it all the way.  It does raise my respect for him (I still don;t care
for his music though)

The Music Biz has seen sales drop.  Actually level off.  For the past decade
or so, since about the time CD's took off, growth has been at about 30% per
year.  A couple years ago it dropped off drastically to about 2%.  For a few
years the big companies have been screaming about what a slump the biz is in.
30% growth for seven years is a slump!

Damn I wish I had a scrollback buffer right now.

It now costs about twice as much to produce a 12" record as it does to produce
a CD.  Be comforted that any of the Big-5 (used to be Big-6 but Seagrams
bought Polygram) pay about $0.50 per CD not including royalties to the artists
(but including the $0.03 that Phillips gets for *every* CD mfgrd. CD-R,
CD-Rom, CD-DA, etc. that's a lotta bread)
lumen
response 34 of 189: Mark Unseen   May 28 00:51 UTC 1998

So what's the total cost to them of a particular CD?  That is, what's the cost
of royalties, on average?
orinoco
response 35 of 189: Mark Unseen   May 28 01:37 UTC 1998

(I would imagine that would vary enormously, depending on how major - and
pricey - the artist is.)
goose
response 36 of 189: Mark Unseen   May 28 14:34 UTC 1998

Well there are some fixed costs for royalties, and some not so fixed.
Mechanical roylaties are now $0.095 per song, per item manufactured (CD. tape,
LP, etc) so now you've got about $1.50 per disc in costs, the artists
royalties are based on the wholesale cost of an LP (yes, they are still
calculated based on the wholesale cost of a format that is no longer
available!)  This is $5.98 for a $8.98 LP, and the artist sees about 20% of
this (or about $1.20) which is probably split in some way with the producer.
(A producer may get from 1-8 "points" or percentage points on a record, in
lieu of a guarantee) so this puts it at about $2.70, but this is deceiving
because the cost of manufacturing the disc is usually taken out of the artists
royalties (manufacturing is a recoupable costs, just like studio time,
mastering, artwork, promotional copies, radio copies, advertising & other
promotion)  So now we're back to $1.50, and the wholesale price of a CD is
currently about $7.99 (as memory serves).  $6.49 in gross profit to the label.

RE#35 -- Everybody gets about the same deal, excepting a few "superstars"
(Michale Jackson, Madonna, REM, U2, and the like)
mcnally
response 37 of 189: Mark Unseen   Jun 3 23:40 UTC 1998

  I'm a little skeptical of the report since it came with no source cited
  but I received something today that claims that Minneapolis-based Twin/Tone
  records is moving out of the CD-pressing business and going to all-Internet
  distribution by the end of the year.  Supposedly their back catalog will
  still be available and they will contract for small numbers of CDs for
  bands to sell to fans while on tour but they expect most of their business
  to go to their $1.50/song, $10/album download-it-over-the-Internet-and-
  stick-it-on-a-CD-yourself scheme..

  I predict a rocky start but it wouldn't surprise me if eventually that 
  were the way that music winds up being distributed..
scott
response 38 of 189: Mark Unseen   Jun 4 00:31 UTC 1998

Well, if the price drops, it may well be.  I would be more receptive to the
local music store in Anytown, USA having the CD burner, fast link, and photo
printer for the full experience.  Frank Zappa proposed just such a scheme over
a decade ago.
goose
response 39 of 189: Mark Unseen   Jun 4 15:08 UTC 1998

Mike, I heard the same thing from a good/reputable source.  It said Twin/Tone
had already released it's last "CD" and that it was in the process of
switching now.

I don;t like the idea of having to do all the work myself, and I like CD
artwork/liner notes (I like LP's space more but.....) so Scott's idea in #38
sits better with me.

I don;t get out enough as it is, if I didn;t have to go out and buy records,
sheesh!  

Retailers should like this too since inventory costs will be so low, although
is will be replaced by lease costs for a dozen "CD kiosks"
krj
response 40 of 189: Mark Unseen   Jun 4 18:54 UTC 1998

Blockbuster wanted to go to such a scheme about, what, five years back?
CD manufacturing kiosks in video stores.  They had support from IBM, so 
the technical part was quite feasible, but the labels didn't want to 
support the idea so it died.
 
Chris: thanks for the mention on the Seagram's acquisition: this was
being discussed when I headed out of the country and I saw very little 
news while we were in Italy.
goose
response 41 of 189: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 17:15 UTC 1998

Yep, it's now the Big 5.  Sad, really.
krj
response 42 of 189: Mark Unseen   Aug 25 22:50 UTC 1998

USA Today reports that the numbers for the record business picked up 
decently in the first half of 1998.  Most of the increased business 
was due to the large number of successful movie soundtrack albums, 
especially TITANIC, and then Celine Dion also rode along on the 
Titanic.  For the first time, more women than men bought CDs.
 
Rock music still seems to be in the dumpster, sales-wise.
tpryan
response 43 of 189: Mark Unseen   Aug 25 23:19 UTC 1998

        Rock as in the classic-rock efforts?  Two weeks after Ringo's
new CD was out, WCSX was off of it.  Shame, wouldn't might hearing
some of those trcks instead of the daily dose of Stairway to Heaven.
mcnally
response 44 of 189: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 02:27 UTC 1998

  Judging by what I hear on the radio I'd say rock music deserves
  to be in the dumpster sales-wise..  I'm perfectly willing to
  believe that there's as much great music being produced now as
  ever but wherever it is it's not the music that's getting the
  promotion dollars from the record companies.  The acts that the
  big corps are pushing are unexciting and unoriginal -- it's no
  mystery to me why people aren't rushing to the stores to buy the
  CDs.  Those of us who are record junkies* may take the time to
  actively seek out cool new stuff but the majority of sales go
  to Joe Average who buys 2.5 CDs per year, based on what he hears
  on the radio..  (I'm just making that figure up but you get the
  idea..)  Maybe if WEA, Virgin, BMG, etc.. would get up off their
  asses and start pushing some of the really creative folks in
  their lineups who toil to produce records that nobody ever hears..

  * - record junkie:  I'm moving this week and I packed my CD collection
  (or most of it) tonight..  Thank God I don't own Ken-like quantities
  of CDs (and vinyl..  aieeee!!) but it was still Bad Enough.  And that
  was *after* my attempt at culling the collection earlier this summer..

  Perhaps the scariest part of the experience was the number of times
  I thought -- "there, finished" only to find another 100 CDs or so
  hiding in another room, apart from the main collection.  I think
  that if everything I own were destroyed in, say, a plague of frogs,
  it'd cost more to replace my music collection than to replace the
  remainder of everything else I own, including my computer and my car..
  God only knows what it'd be like if I didn't get rid of the things I
  don't listen to..
senna
response 45 of 189: Mark Unseen   Aug 26 03:28 UTC 1998

Rock music is in the dumpster sales wise because the music they're putting
out right now sucks.  While five years ago radio was full of fresh artists
and independent ideas, rock radio had turned into a top 40-type atmosphere
playing nothing but inane cheese and flipper-pleasing fare.  Current "cutting
edge" bands include Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20, whose prettyboy cheese
rock was old years before they ever showed up.  Electronica never was "the
next big thing" as it was touted to be.  Radio is still toiling around in the
leftover sewage of good alternative, playing whatever they can get their hands
on.  The problem is that none of it is good and none of it is fresh.  The only
fresh, original music is too specialized to have any mass-market following,
and nobody is bothering to be original enough to have wide appeal.
tyr
response 46 of 189: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 00:11 UTC 1998

This is in ref. to #18 (on how the internet affected buying). Personally I
am a music addict, everytime I go into a music store i buy something, Every
time 'cause I really like being exposed to new things. As a result I have a
great appreciation for just about every form of music. (BTW my favorite store
is tower, due to the fact that it carries books and a wide selection of
magazines.) Unfortunately since the majority of my favorite music comes from
britain or is extremely hard to find domestically (I listen mostly to Drum
'n Bass, a type of electronic music). So I've found that buying directly from
tthe record companies online is alot easier, and sometimes cheaper. So the
'net has really been beneficial there. Also one place that I feel is
revolutionizing online music uying is CDuctive (www.cductive.com) On their
website you can go through and pick out the tracks you like (you can preview
in RA) and they will put them onto a CD and ship it to you. You can even name
your CD. They charge persong and the price for a 12 song CD is a little
cheaper than buy a similar CD retail. They have deals with alot of the lesser
known labels, so it's a really cool way to get some of those songs that don't
get radio play or whatever. I encourage everyone to experience it.
Tyr
goose
response 47 of 189: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 18:00 UTC 1998

RE#44 -- Labels are not interested in developing artists anymore, they
want the instant gratification of a multi-million seller that sounds
just like the last multi-million seller.  It sucks rocks, but there
are hundreds if not thousands of bands out there willing to play this
game.  It's just like selling your soul.
mcnally
response 48 of 189: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 19:52 UTC 1998

  I'm sure that there's a lot of truth in that but it can't be quite
  that simple or presumably someone would be making money developing
  and promoting new acts -- either one of the big labels that wanted
  to distinguish itself from the others or perhaps some of the indie
  labels, sensing an opportunity to move in on the big guys' piece of
  the pie.  But if there's a flourishing indie scene right now, I'm
  somehow missing out on it completely -- as far as I can tell the
  indie record scene is about as dead as I can remember it being since
  I started watching such things..

  Is there nothing more going on here than the labels' devotion to
  short-term profits at the expense of long-term sustainability?  Or
  are there other factors at work, perhaps the assimilation of the
  big labels into multinational media empires that don't go by 
  prevailing music-industry practices?
scott
response 49 of 189: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 20:27 UTC 1998

We're still waiting for the next Big Trend (apparently electronica was not
it).
tpryan
response 50 of 189: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 21:42 UTC 1998

        Well, I can take more Rockin' Big  Bands, like Brian Setzer
Orchestra, doing new and older material.
lumen
response 51 of 189: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 23:52 UTC 1998

Hey, I like electronica.  Don't understand why MTV's _AMP_ isn't a more
popular show.

It's too bad some of the US electronica groups are bowing to the garage band
demons of infinite distortion :P

things were better when synth had some pop about it, or had classical style
like say, Kraftwerk..
krj
response 52 of 189: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 17:37 UTC 1998

From USA Today, Monday October 12:
 
   "The record industry's main lobbying group has filed the first 
lawsuit aimed at stopping sales of a new portable device that plays 
sound files from the Internet.
   "The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on Friday
asked the U.S. district court in central California to stop San Jose-
based Diamond Multimedia  from distributing its portable Rio flash 
memory device to U.S. stores, claiming it violates copyright 
protection laws.
   "Rio, the size and weight of a pager, plays sound files compressed
by Fraunhofer's MP3 compression software and downloaded into its memory.
Due to ship in November, it is expected to sell for $200.
   ...
   "(the RIAA) says Rio violates the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act, 
which requires manufacturers to protect against second-generation copies 
on primarily audio recording devices and pay royalties.
   "Diamond says Rio is not a recording device; it merely plays back 
sound files.  ... "
 
Is this a loophole big enough to drive trucks through?  
krj
response 53 of 189: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 19:28 UTC 1998

From the NME web site, today:  Kirsten Hirsh, on the 4AD label, is 
releasing an album of traditional appalachian folk songs which will 
only available from 4AD directly, via the web or old-fashioned 
mail order.  
goose
response 54 of 189: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 20:43 UTC 1998

Can I buy one of those MP3 players now?  I want one before they disappear.
krj
response 55 of 189: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 21:07 UTC 1998

Do an altavista search on +diamond +rio +mp3
I get hits on sites advertising this player from several countries.
scott
response 56 of 189: Mark Unseen   Oct 14 21:10 UTC 1998

The RIAA managed to kill consumer DAT, I imagine after not seeing CD-Rom
burners coming they want to reassert control.  

Ugh.  Been very profitable for record companies the last few years; do they
have to be such assholes?
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