response 33 of 184:

Jan 31 07:52 UTC 2004

I've gotten to a point where I've pretty much shrugged my shoulders and 
said, "whatever" when that's been the case with me.  People will think 
what they want to think-- I cannot change that.  I'll turn around and 
forget the crap in the past as best I can; if they can't, hmm, oh well.

response 35 of 184:

Jan 31 13:21 UTC 2004

But sometimes, the saying is part of the moving on.

response 37 of 184:

Jan 31 13:58 UTC 2004

Re #33: Very well put. Others could benefit from a similar attitude.

Re #32: As long as you are focused on trying to control others, rather
than yourself, you are kidding yourself if you think you are putting
anything behind you. See #33 and #34. Maturity is accepting your mistakes
and moving on. Attempting a cover-up is not. How very Nixonian of you. 

response 39 of 184:

Jan 31 17:23 UTC 2004

I really don't think Grex should be allowing one user to have another
user's text removed because of fears that what was said could aid in
his being convicted of a crime.  Is that what you're suggesting we
should do, Sindi?

response 41 of 184:

Jan 31 19:54 UTC 2004

jep committed a crime?! Oh boy

response 43 of 184:

Jan 31 21:09 UTC 2004

I'm not trying to control anyone else.  I guess it sounds dramatic to 
you to keep repeating your disinformation, cyklone.  I am trying to 
affect only my own life.  There is some small affect on others, but 
this clearly affects me to a far greater extent than it does everyone 
else on Grex combined.

You hide behind your pseudo, and apparently hid behind another one two 
years ago.  You come from another system, having almost no interest in 
Grex other than to force your "principles" on me.  You then scream 
inaccurately about how "Nixonian" and "controlling" I am.  Uh... a 
little self-examination might be in order for you.  I am controlling 
my life. 

response 45 of 184:

Jan 31 21:30 UTC 2004

Re #43: What you call "controlling my life" seems to include controlling
others as well. As for my interest in Grex, go read my item in agora and
maybe you will know the facts a little better. BTW, the principles you
claim I am trying to "force" on you are not just mine but the principles
grex professed to be upholding when it agreed to cooperate with the ACLU. 
I personally don't care if grex wants to do personal favors for favored
persons at the expense of free and uncensored speech. Ya'll can have your
little sandbox to play in, and I'll join the reindeer games elsewhere.
Grex's credibility is at stake, and if ya'll want to be hypocrites, be my
guest. 

response 47 of 184:

Feb 1 00:29 UTC 2004

Did you steal a page from aaron's "How To Argue With Leeron" book?

response 51 of 184:

Feb 1 02:18 UTC 2004

re 48 

Naftee, nobody is questioning whether you've stolen my act or not.

response 53 of 184:

Feb 1 03:02 UTC 2004

Re resp:45: Grex's claim to the ACLU was that we'd be forced to shut 
down.  It didn't really have much to do with the system's commitment to 
free speech.  Maybe you shouldn't pretend to know better than the rest 
of us about stuff that happened before you came here.

I'm getting really tired of people who come to Grex from other systems 
just to have fun gaming the system, trolling, and tormenting staff.  I 
wish they'd go back to shitting in their own back yard and stop shitting 
in ours.

response 55 of 184:

Feb 1 03:33 UTC 2004

I have some history with M-Net myself, some involvement with it's 
past, and some concern about it.  I certainly don't consider it to be 
an insult to be an M-Netter.  However, I have been an active Grexer, 
too.  I've been involved here, and when I express a concern for Grex, 
it is on behalf of Grex, in the interest of improving Grex, so that it 
will be better for myself as well as others.

I have pointed out that probably most of the discussion against my 
proposal is from people who have little other involvement with Grex 
than trying to control it.  Jp2 is one such; a highly unusual case in 
that he actually ran for the Board without much other involvement 
here.  Naftee and polytarp are two more, and cyklone, you're another.  
It's wonderful for you to have principles, I am sure.  It's puzzling 
when they extend so far as to areas (Grex, I mean) about which you 
haven't got much other concern.  It's foolish for you to call 
me "controlling" under the circumstances of this discussion.

As far as what you've said in Agora, it is not of interest to me.  Is 
that the Agora on M-Net, or Grex, by the way?

As far as personal favoritism... it is true that people here may 
regard what I say in a different light than what someone says whom 
they don't know, or have known only recently.  I've been here since 
Grex first came on-line.  Most Grexers have had ample opportunity to 
know me at my best and my worst, and the many stages in between.  I 
have said things that disgust, disappoint, frustrate, horrify and 
anger many people here.  I have also said things that entertain them, 
contribute to their arguments, or perhaps even enlighten them a 
little, from time to time.  I care about some Grexers, and some of 
them care about me.  I don't think it would be an improvement if they 
treated me the same way as someone who just ran 'newuser' for the 
first time today.  I think it would be silly.  Not that it matters 
what I think; they are not going to do it.  No one in all of human 
experience treats people they don't know the same as those they do 
know.  I am not asking for a policy change.  I am asking for a favor, 
and asking for recognition of unusual circumstances.  I have said 
exactly that since I asked for the users to authorize my items to 
remain deleted.