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davel
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response 32 of 74:
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May 6 01:01 UTC 1999 |
Certainly some LPs gained length by tighter grooving. I think it was a
change, but I'm not sure of that.
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krj
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response 33 of 74:
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May 12 18:00 UTC 1999 |
On CD length: The story was always reported that Akio Morita, the chairman
of Sony, decreed that the CD had to be long enough to record Beethoven's
9th Symphony on one disc. (Sony and Philips were the co-developers of
today's CD format.) The original CD standard called for a 72 minute
length. Some releases started pushing that limit up by packing the
tracks in a teensy bit more tightly and getting closer to the rim of
the disc; when 80-minute discs came out, we found that lots of players
would not make it through to the end of these discs. So the upper boundary
is now 78 minutes and change.
LPs: Yes, the grooves (and stylii) got much smaller with the transition
from 78 to LP; that's why the LPs were called "microgroove" recordings
for a while. 37 minutes may be a theoretical possibility for the length
of one LP side, but it was not a market practicality. In LPs, there would
always be a tradeoff between how loud (=how wide) the grooves were cut,
and how much time the LP could hold. I rarely saw LPs packing in more than
25 minutes per side and I doubt that I ever saw an LP with 30 minutes
on a side. I suspect some exist at that length, but they were very
rare.
(Oh, it's important how loud/wide the grooves are cut because the
signal needs to climb out of the vinyl surface noise with the LP.)
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orinoco
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response 34 of 74:
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Oct 27 21:00 UTC 1999 |
<nods> All the CDs I've seen that even come close to 70 minutes, the LP
version is on two records.
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keesan
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response 35 of 74:
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Dec 29 20:22 UTC 1999 |
At the library, I took a look at which companies are now putting out classical
CDs: Phillips, London, Deutsche Grammophon, Nonesuch, RCA Victor and CBS
(Columbia) are the only ones that I recognized. Are Angel/Seraphim,
Westminster, MHS and other record companies still in existence? Did they
merge or get bought out? Are there now fewer and larger companies or perhaps
more and smaller, now that anyone can make a CD?
Vox/Turnabout still around? Mercury? Oryx?
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dbratman
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response 36 of 74:
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Jan 3 18:23 UTC 2000 |
Some of those companies are, I think, gone, and new ones have arisen in
their place. Others are there under different guise. For instance,
what once was Columbia was bought by Sony, which is now using the Sony
name on some releases, and CBS on others, I think. Angel was only the
American imprint of EMI, which is still around.
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orinoco
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response 37 of 74:
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Jan 4 19:58 UTC 2000 |
In general, record labels are merging into a few big groups, rather like car
companies did a while back, although not to quite such an extreme degree.
I don't know much about classical labels, but I'd assume they're following
this general trend.
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davel
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response 38 of 74:
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Jan 7 00:28 UTC 2000 |
I fairly recently (I think) bought one or more CDs labeled as MHS. I bought
them through BMG, so they were also labeled as BMG; BMG always (or almost
always) does that.
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krj
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response 39 of 74:
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Jan 7 01:10 UTC 2000 |
This is off the top of my head, with some references to the web.
There are now five multinational conglomerates who control 85% or
more of all recorded music sales (not just classical):
In approximate order of size, they are:
Universal (formed last year by merging MCA and Polygram)
Time/Warner
Sony (historically, Columbia in the US)
BMG (historically, RCA in the US)
EMI (historically, Capitol for pop and Angel for classical in US)
Of the labels keesan mentions:
Polygram controlled the Philips, London and Deutsche Gramophon
labels, so they are now part of Universal Music Group.
I think all three labels are still active, though I'm not
sure about Philips. Mercury is also a part of the Universal
conglomerate; Mercury dropped out of the business of
selling new recordings many years ago, so today the
Mercury name is only used for their old reissues.
Nonesuch is still an active division of Time/Warner.
The "CBS Masterworks" label was retired when Sony bought Columbia.
New issues are under the Sony name, and historical issues are
usually under Columbia.
The RCA name is used for many BMG classical releases, both reissues
and new items.
Angel and Seraphim were label names used by EMI; Seraphim was for
budget-priced reissues. I'm pretty sure the Seraphim name is retired
but I don't know about Angel. New releases seem to be marketed
as "EMI Classical."
I don't know what happened to Westminster. I vaguely recall that
ABC bought them, and then ABC's music operations ended up in MCA.
Westminster used to have the funkiest LP covers.
Musical Heritage Society, primarily a mail order operation, was still
active as of a few years ago, but I have not seen any advertising
from them recently. "MusicMasters" was their label for retail
store sales. (Response above: maybe BMG bought them?)
Vox is still putting CDs in store racks, but I don't know if they
are new recordings or just repackagings of old work.
I never heard of Oryx before.
There are a lot of new small classical labels. Harmonia Mundi,
Hyperion and Chandos leap immediately to mind, and I'm sure there are
lots more.
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krj
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response 40 of 74:
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Jan 18 22:54 UTC 2000 |
So Nonesuch will soon be a division of AOL. Heh.
In the last couple of days I have noticed that the London imprint
has been retired. The Decca label in Britain used to use "London"
on its American issues, but now they seem to be using Decca worldwide.
This seems to be part of a trend of labels to present a consistent
image worldwide, probably to simplify packaging and marketing.
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orinoco
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response 41 of 74:
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Jan 19 01:23 UTC 2000 |
Wow. Hard to picture two more unlikely partners.
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dbratman
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response 42 of 74:
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Jan 19 22:31 UTC 2000 |
Musical Heritage Society is still around. I am still getting occasional
mailings from them begging me to rejoin: since they kicked me out in the
first place because I didn't buy enough, I'm not inclined to do it.
They do sound desperate, though, as the latest ads actually say things
like "Not Your Father's MHS" (though I can't tell any difference in the
inside, save that instead of being 90% Baroque, their offerings are now
down to about 85% Baroque, or so it seems).
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krj
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response 43 of 74:
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Jan 20 22:01 UTC 2000 |
I found a website for MHS, but it's closed for renovations.
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keesan
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response 44 of 74:
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Jan 20 23:43 UTC 2000 |
Does MMS still exist? They seem to have published mainly the better known
works of better known or somewhat known composers. I have a set of 10"
records by them (thanks to John Morris). Musical Masterworks Society.
All high quality performances and recordings. Only problem is that my
auutomatic turntable automatically heads for 12" (or 7" on 45s and I had a
7" 33, from Albania). The older turntables also had 10" settings.
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krj
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response 45 of 74:
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Jan 21 03:42 UTC 2000 |
Another correction to my resp:39 :: at Borders tonight I saw a big
stack of Seraphim CDs in the $7-and-less classical bin. So that
imprint has been revived for a super-budget line of discs.
It's just a brand name, the small print on the discs identify them
as coming from EMI Classical.
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keesan
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response 46 of 74:
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Jan 30 04:39 UTC 2000 |
Today at Kiwanis I found a record of Favorite Popular Music produced by
Plymouth Merit on Genuine Vynil (sic). They also had Music of the Rocco.
I expected the worst, but the music was played and recorded well.
We enjoyed ourselves listening to whatever made it to the ten cent end of the
rack (meaning nobody bought it for about a year already). Another musical
by the composer of Music Man, about Santa Claus. Not as good. Several
selections of Hawaiian Music. There are many copies of Tijuana Brass.
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md
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response 47 of 74:
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Jan 30 20:25 UTC 2000 |
Music of the Rocco? Like my cousin Rocco from
the North End?
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keesan
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response 48 of 74:
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Jan 31 14:03 UTC 2000 |
Don't know, all they gave on the jacket was a long list of record titles, many
of them starting 'One hour of favorite...' Possibly the French Rocco, not
the Italian branch.
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md
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response 49 of 74:
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Jan 31 16:01 UTC 2000 |
You mean "rococo": 18th century, elegant, ornate.
The music of Rocco is mostly Sinatra and Lois Prima.
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keesan
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response 50 of 74:
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Jan 31 19:09 UTC 2000 |
They probably meant rococo but they wrote Rocco. For a budget line too cheap
to hire a proofreader for their only record jacket, they picked good music
and good performances.
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keesan
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response 51 of 74:
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Feb 13 23:58 UTC 2000 |
From a book by EMI. The company was founded by several mergers, including
one with a branch of Columbia (later CBS, bought by Sony). At one point they
also produced radios, TVs, refrigerators, etc., and owned some restaurants
and hotels, but undiversified. Had licensing contracts with RCA Victor and
Columbia but antitrust laws ended this, so they bought Capitol Records in
1955, the fourth largest US record company. (What was the third largest?).
Also marketed under Angel/Seraphim.
First produced records in the 1890s, wax cylinders which were cut.
After about ten years switched to flat disks, first in the US then Britain,
where people were understandably reluctant to have to purchase a new
grammophone to play the new shape records. Until around 1925 records were
recorded by making loud noises into a horn, they they got electric
microphones. Eventually record players also electrified, somewhere around
the thirties when radio became more widespread. You could buy a grammophone
or something that plugged into your radio for amplification.
Stereo was first developed in the thirties but not marketed.
LP records (microgroove, on unbreakable vinylite instead of shellac,
which was short during the war), were sold starting in the later forties.
78s were also sold at the same time for the next ten years (cylinder and disk
coexisted for about ten years earlier), but by the late 1958s only 33s and
45s were produced. At which point everyone had had to buy a new record player
and new records. In the late fifties the record companies then started to
make stereo records, meaning for the next ten years they sold both stereo and
mono (you could buy a special cartridge letting you play stereo records on
a mono player) and then only stereo. Meaning people again had to replace
their record collection and record players. (There was really no point in
coming out with stereo and LP at the same time, you would only have sold half
as many total records).
By the late 60s only stereo records were made, and once everyone had
switched over they tried marketing quadraphonic, which flopped (but made a
comeback in the nineties). Stereo records lasted 20 years before CDs came
out, but were seriously challenged in the seventies and eighties by 8-track
(a flop) and then cassette tapes.
Can someone bring us up to date since 1987? How widespread are formats
other than CD and cassette tape? After 13 years are CDs due to become
obsolete? We have noticed many working single-CD players coming in to
Kiwanis, so presumably the manufacturers managed to convince some people that
they had to replace their players with CD changers. When do we start seeing
more working tape decks when people start replacing those with DAT?
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keesan
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response 52 of 74:
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Feb 15 17:39 UTC 2000 |
'When they are good, they are really really good, and when they are bad they
are horrid.'
I had promised to record some cello concertos for my new Serbian neighbor and
instead of my slightly scratchy records decided to get out library CDs. The
first three got stuck at one spot. Why do they do this? One of them got
stuck at several spots. Have not tried the other three but one of them looks
pretty scratched up.
A few 10" records sounded awful, very faint sound alternating with not so
faint, not a scratchy but a dull sound. They looked very dusty. In
disintegrating cellophane jackets with corners missing. Wiping off the dust
had no effect. No visible scratches. So I took them all to the kitchen sink,
ran water over them, noticed water-repellent areas, squirted dish detergent
onto these on the theory that it was grease holding dust which causes the
needle not to seat in the groove, and rubbed the detergent around for a while
then let it sit. Repeated this up to ten times then left them to dry at an
angle propped against and on a linen dishtowel. This has done miracles
before. No sign of fingerprints, maybe they stored them in the kitchen.
The paper labels stayed on despite being rinsed for a while.
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oddie
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response 53 of 74:
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Feb 16 05:05 UTC 2000 |
re #51:
DVD is one thing that is supposed to replace CDs in the next few years,
though at the moment it seems that it is being used more for videos. (I think
it can hold about four times as much stuff as a CD, and I also think DVD
players can play CDs too.) Someone else can probably give a better answer than
me...
DAT is used in recording studios IIRC, but I don't know if it is going to
become a distribution format or not (didn't they already try that and find
that it was a commercial flop?)
re #52:
Scratched CDs tend to "skip" if they are scratched-probably it has something to
do with the laser not focusing properly. If it is a bad enough scratch the
player could skip for several seconds or possibly just "freeze" at that point.
Portable players generally come with "skip protection" these days (as jarring
the player will also make it skip). Perhaps a stationary player doesn't have
this kind of protection? I have borrowed CDs from the library that were
scratched enough to make several tracks unplayable too.
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orinoco
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response 54 of 74:
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Feb 16 09:30 UTC 2000 |
I've never seen skip protection on a stationary player, but it's also been
years since I bought my CD player, and I haven't really looked to hard at
features since then. And it's possible to scratch a CD (or shake a CD player)
so hard that even skip protection won't do you any good.
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md
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response 55 of 74:
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Feb 16 12:13 UTC 2000 |
I don't know why skip protection would be needed
on a stationary CD player. Maybe for people who
live in earthquake zones? As to CD vs DVD, our
DVD player will play any ordinary music CD. Hook
it up to your amplifier and you're in business.
I note that there are DVDs of operas and "great"
performances. (Karajan conducts Dvorak's "New World"
symphony, etc.)
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keesan
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response 56 of 74:
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Feb 16 17:48 UTC 2000 |
A friend in Prague asked me to send her some American spirituals, on DAT.
Is this format more common in Europe? What does a DVD cost?
I have seen CD players skip when someone heavy walked across the room.
The washed records no longer sound dull, but now they sound scratchy. The
dust must have done some damage. Another record that sounded dull but was
not dusty washed up like new.
A Kiwanis volunteer explained that when cleaning CDs you should wipe them
radially (outside to inside or vice versa) as opposed to records, which you
should wipe in a circle (to avoid the dust or grit breaking down the
partitions between grooves). CD players have built-in circuitry to average
out anything that messes up the sound for a fraction of a revolution so a
radial scratch can be corrected, but cannot deal with circular scratches.
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