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mcnally
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response 318 of 352:
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Dec 21 06:41 UTC 2003 |
re #317: I don't think it's quite as bad as that, though I can certainly
see plenty of evidence to support your position.
I think gelinas has a point in #316, too. It's much easier to visualize
the death of an individual person whose name you know than imagine a
nameless statistic, let alone 800,000 nameless statistics.
It's certainly not Fossey's fault -- she deserves justice as much as
any one of the Rwandan genocide victims does -- but it just struck me
as a particularly grim example of the limitations of public empathy..
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mdw
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response 319 of 352:
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Dec 21 08:48 UTC 2003 |
To me, the horrible thing about Fossey's death is that means the Gorilla
lost a champion, which the species badly needs. Future generations may
be less willing to forgive the extinction of the gorilla, and may not be
at all sympathetic concerning temporary reductions in Africa's
overpopulation problem. Given the current US "official" position
regarding population control (ie, birth control in 3rd world nations)
and the general % of world resources consumed in the US, I doubt the
future will judge us much better.
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remmers
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response 320 of 352:
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Dec 21 13:34 UTC 2003 |
To put the issue of the emphasis on one particular person into a wee
bit of perspective: The story referenced in #314 appeared in a publication
called "The Animal Welfare Institute Quarterly".
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mcnally
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response 321 of 352:
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Dec 21 22:16 UTC 2003 |
> Future generations may be less willing to forgive the extinction of
> the gorilla, and may not be at all sympathetic concerning temporary
> reductions in Africa's overpopulation problem. Given the current US
> "official" position regarding population control (ie, birth control
> in 3rd world nations) and the general % of world resources consumed
> in the US, I doubt the future will judge us much better.
re #319: boy, "temporary reductions in Africa's overpopulation problem"
sure sounds a lot kinder than "the genocidal machete dismemberment of
800,000 men, women, and children," doesn't it? I know enough about
Marcus to have formed a pretty strong opinion that he isn't a cold-blooded
type, so how do we get to a point where an intelligent person like
Marcus makes an unconscious equivalence like the one above?
I don't know what the answer or answers here might be, but I'm pretty
consistently appalled by just how messed up our thinking about the
situation has gotten.
You're right that the gorilla needs a champion, but I really hope that
if that champion appears, it doesn't turn out to be someone who sees
nearly a million people as removable inconveniences.
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mary
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response 322 of 352:
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Dec 22 01:20 UTC 2003 |
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mcnally
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response 323 of 352:
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Dec 22 02:46 UTC 2003 |
Probably well past time to move this out of the general announcements
item. I announce that I apologize for the inadvertent item hijacking.
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carson
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response 324 of 352:
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Dec 22 14:20 UTC 2003 |
(Russ [power] is in town through the first week of January. we'll likely
get together tonight for some deep dish pizza from Anthony's.)
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tpryan
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response 325 of 352:
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Dec 22 14:52 UTC 2003 |
Happy winter you all!
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remmers
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response 326 of 352:
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Dec 22 14:57 UTC 2003 |
(Oxymoron alert!)
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gull
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response 327 of 352:
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Dec 22 16:22 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:317: There's a less racist interpretation -- the U.S. has an
active national interest in the Israeli situation, but has basically no
ties to anywhere in Africa.
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tod
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response 328 of 352:
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Dec 22 17:41 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 329 of 352:
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Dec 22 17:50 UTC 2003 |
Where in Africa?
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tod
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response 330 of 352:
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Dec 22 18:07 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 331 of 352:
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Dec 22 18:20 UTC 2003 |
Ah. heh. Sierra Leone.
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albaugh
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response 332 of 352:
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Dec 22 19:19 UTC 2003 |
When I entered agora, I expected to see a roll into winter...
Well, a couple of Santa related comix to make you smile:
http://garfield.ucomics.com/index.html?uc_comic=ga&uc_full_date=20031221
http://www.ucomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/12/20/
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aruba
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response 333 of 352:
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Dec 22 21:37 UTC 2003 |
I like that Calvin and Hobbes one. :)
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slynne
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response 334 of 352:
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Dec 22 21:51 UTC 2003 |
Me too. Those are the best. :)
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jep
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response 335 of 352:
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Dec 23 03:09 UTC 2003 |
My son and I spent Friday night on the museum submarine, USS
Silversides, in Muskegon, MI, along with Cub Scout Pack 673 of
Tecumseh. I would have to rate this as one of the coolest overnight
trips I've ever heard of for Cub Scouts (and their parents).
You can read about the Silversides at http://www.silversides.org if
you're interested.
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gelinas
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response 336 of 352:
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Dec 23 03:16 UTC 2003 |
I think you can also read about it at
http://courtofappeals.mijud.net/Digest/newHTML/16408221.htm
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jep
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response 337 of 352:
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Dec 23 04:36 UTC 2003 |
Yours doesn't say much about the submarine.
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gelinas
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response 338 of 352:
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Dec 23 04:39 UTC 2003 |
True, but the submarine _was_ the causus belli. :)
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jor
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response 339 of 352:
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Dec 23 04:52 UTC 2003 |
but did you use the head
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jep
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response 340 of 352:
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Dec 23 15:09 UTC 2003 |
No, sir; it was made clear to us that the heads were not operational.
A submarine toilet does not work like a standard device anyway; there
are 10 steps for using it, and by doing it wrong, it is possible to get
disastrous results.
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twenex
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response 341 of 352:
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Dec 23 15:23 UTC 2003 |
I'd like to announce that it's time for agora to roll over already.
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micklpkl
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response 342 of 352:
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Dec 23 15:31 UTC 2003 |
Don't be *hasty,* Master twenex...
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