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richard
response 315 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 22:51 UTC 2006

cyklone, no its not.  alcohol is a downer, you drink it and it goes to 
your brain and reduces activity in the central nervous system.  It 
reduces brain activity, which is what has to happen to induce sleep.  
Why do you think they put it in nyquil?
scholar
response 316 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 23:06 UTC 2006

Nyquil is 10% alcohol.  A standard dose of Nyquil is 30 mL -- which would have
3 mL of alcohol in it.  A single 341 mL bottle of 5% beer has 17.05 mL of
alcohol.  Why would an insignificant amount of alcohol be included as a
sedative when Nyquil already contains a significant amount of the sedative
doxylamine succinate?

Should Agora include a regular item to document instances of Richard's lies?
slynne
response 317 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 00:53 UTC 2006

I suspect that the alcohol in NyQuil interacts with the other drugs in
NyQuil which in turn induces drowsiness. Alcohol itself can also do the
same thing but if IRC, when people go to sleep after drinking, the
quality of sleep is negatively effected. 
scholar
response 318 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:16 UTC 2006

If the alcohol acted to induce drowsiness, it would be included in the active
ingredients list, which it isn't.
keesan
response 319 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:21 UTC 2006

Alcohol is a preservative, which is why it may be in some liquid medications
such as mouthwash.
scholar
response 320 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:23 UTC 2006

And it's obviously not included because it is an antiseptic.
slynne
response 321 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:16 UTC 2006

huh. and all of this time, I thought the alcohol helped the NyQuil knock
folks out. 
keesan
response 322 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:42 UTC 2006

Lynne, if you happen to be in central Ann Arbor we will be happy to go for
a walk along the river with you.  Today we took a little walk from the dam
to Bandemer Park and back.  It is mostly level.  We could also walk the other
direction to the Arboretum along the river, and then to Gallup Park where they
are even more trails, also level, and lots of geese and ducks.
richard
response 323 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:58 UTC 2006

re #318 Or maybe we should start documenting how many times Scholar 
says I'm lying when I am not.  Here is a link to a chart which tells 
you how much % alcohol is in Nyquil:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/1127525665.html

As the chart tells you, I was in fact off on it.  Nyquil is 25% 
alcohol.  Taking a swig of Nyquil is akin to taking a shot of whiskey 
and maybe two or three Tylenol.  
richard
response 324 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:00 UTC 2006

You can also see by that list that many cold medicines are high 
alcohol content.  If you have a cold you could be just as well off 
drinking a brandy than taking Contact Severe Cold Medecine which is 
also 25% alcohol.
scholar
response 325 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:03 UTC 2006

Yet another complete and total lie.

Look at http://vicks.com/products/nyquil_liquid.shtml.  Look at a bottle of
NyQuil.  It's 10%.
naftee
response 326 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:05 UTC 2006

that doesn't mean it's an active ingredient, though ; scholar's still right.

Advertised Brand: NyQuil(R) or DayQuil(R) 
Active Ingredient: Acetaminophen, Dextromethorphan, Doxylamine Succinate* and
Pseudoephedrine HCl (* ingredient is not included in DayQuil(R)) 
Store Brand Product: Nite Time Liquid or Softgels; Day Time Liquid or Softgels

(taken from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=16181 )
scholar
response 327 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:10 UTC 2006

By the way:  Far from being equivalent to a drink of whiskey (which has about
37 millilitres of alcohol), a standard dose of 25% alcohol NyQuil would have
7 millilitres of alcohol.  We're talking about VERY small amounts of alcohol.
richard
response 328 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:29 UTC 2006

scholar I provided my source.  I don't even see on yours where it says 
ten percent.  Why would my source document all those medecines and 
their alcohol percentages, and its a reputable source, and you not 
believe it?  Vicks is always going to downplay the alcohol content in 
their product.  They want you to think its a miracle drug when its not.

Anyway providing documented information, which I did, is not lying.  
And it really doesn't matter if it is 10% or 25%, it is still the 
largest percentage ingredient, active or inactive, in the product.  
scholar
response 329 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:34 UTC 2006

You're dumb.

If a pharmaceutical company lied on its website (even if Richard Wallner is
too dumb to find the lie) or on the packaging of its products about how much
alcohol is in them, they would get the shit beaten out of them by the
government, consumers, etc.

Fact is, you're lying and even if you weren't, it still woudln't be nearly
enough alcohol to provide the effect you're attributing to it.
slynne
response 330 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 06:45 UTC 2006

resp:322 Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it but dont find myself
getting to central Ann Arbor much these days. Luckily, there are lots of
nice places to walk here in Ypsi. I am doing a program designed by a
couple of experts on eating disorders right now and part of that program
is to "create an environment of plenty" by grocery shopping often. One
of my walking routes takes me by the Ypsi food coop. Even though food is
more expensive there, it is mostly natural and stuff that I like. So I
think I am going to try to make a habit of going there a couple of times
a week.
glenda
response 331 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 07:10 UTC 2006

Re #313:  Recommending alcohol as a remedy or medical aid for anything is
really a bad idea.  Why would I want to trade pain (that shows that I am at
least still alive) for alcoholism.  That's the amount I would have to take.
That aside, I am severly allergic to Nyquil.  The one time I tried it I could
feel my muscles go numb and unresponsive.  Even my diaphram started to freeze
up, fortunately only enough to make breathing a conscious effert and not
enough to stop it altogether.  Night time alcohol is out because of other
medications I take at bedtime.  A long time ago I decided that breathing was
much more important and thrilling than drinking.  I like alcohol, I am part
Native American, I know that I have addiction problems and would prefer that
the addictions remain to caffeine and chocolate rather than alcohol.  I don't
drink as a rule as a matter of choice, I probably have less than 5 drinks a
year and prefer it that way.  I don't think that regular drinking for any
reason is a good idea, occasional social drinking ok, regular drinking to deal
with other problems bad.
rcurl
response 332 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 07:34 UTC 2006

There is no question that alcohol in Nyquil or any other such nostrum is an
active ingredient. It is just not an "active ingredient". 
scholar
response 333 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 08:00 UTC 2006

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scholar
response 334 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 08:07 UTC 2006

Re. 332:  When you begin to act like three lousy milligrams of alcohol are
going to have a significant impact on someone's life, you run the risk of
trivializing the experiences of millions of Americans who have had their lives
ruined because of alcohol.
furs
response 335 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 12:41 UTC 2006

If you need help falling asleep at night, just read Grex.
remmers
response 336 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 13:14 UTC 2006

Crossword puzzles work for me.
happyboy
response 337 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 20:25 UTC 2006

re330: say hi to corrine from me!
scholar
response 338 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 20:52 UTC 2006

I meant millilitres.
mary
response 339 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 14:43 UTC 2006

The U of M hospital is soon to start a bariatric surgery program.  In 
preparation I just completed a six hour course designed to inform the 
medical professional about the patient population, the different 
procedures, the surgical risks, the post-op care, etc.  I have met quite a 
few people who have gone this route, after much deliberation, and who are 
very pleased with their decision.  If I met the criteria and felt it
was my best shot at a healthier and happier future, I'd have the surgery.

It's not for everyone.  In fact, some of the criteria for undergoing the 
procedure is you have to be morbidly obese, have comorbidities, and have 
failed for years trying standard approaches for weight loss.  But it is 
indeed the answer for many and it changes lives.  If you are happy with
yourself and your health, this isn't for you.

Here is a link to a site with steaming video of laproscopic gastric 
bypass surgery.  Just follow the links but know it's 90 minutes long.

http://liteandhope.or-live.com/




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