response 314 of 870:

Jan 10 04:31 UTC 2005

It doesn't work for me, either.  Now, a question:  why use a web browser when
something designed for the job, to wit, ftp, is available?

That's a lot like using a spoon to cut something while holding a knife is in
your other hand.

response 316 of 870:

Jan 10 05:19 UTC 2005

There are two secure general purpose file transfer protocols:

ftps or ftp-ssh -- Plain old FTP over a secure connection

sftp -- a new protocol with an unfortunate name that makes it sound 
like it's FTP, but it's not.  Other than the name, it has nothing to 
do with FTP.

I'd thought all of the free world had agreed to have nothing to do 
with sftp.  However, my knowledge of these two protocols does not go 
far beyond what I have written in this response.

response 318 of 870:

Jan 10 07:03 UTC 2005

not really a problem but the Grex Faq says it's running SunOs.

response 320 of 870:

Jan 10 13:21 UTC 2005

OK, I tried fronttalk.  Because I'd just read stuff with picospan, there was
nothing new to read.  So I tried "read since 1/9" (and subsequently "read since
1/9/2005"), and it gave me errors 'Don't understand "/9"' and 'Don't understand
"/9/2005"' (respectively). After the errors, it jumped me into the middle (!)
of old stuff (item 1 response 118), for some reason.

response 322 of 870:

Jan 10 14:27 UTC 2005

Re: #314. Those models are still around, they have their uses.

Any movement on the problem I've reported twice yet?

response 324 of 870:

Jan 10 14:40 UTC 2005

Re resp:316: I know a fair number of sites that use SFTP exclusively, to
get around the problems of FTP -- mostly, its insecurity, and its
inability to play nice with firewalls.

FTP is still used for anonymous file access sites because SFTP doesn't
make any sense in that situation.  That usage seems to be slowly
disappearing in favor of HTTP, though.

You're correct that SFTP doesn't resembly FTP much, protocol-wise.  It's
really an extension of SSH.  It is, however, a File Transfer Protocol. ;)

response 326 of 870:

Jan 10 15:47 UTC 2005

Yes, if you're used to using FTP graphically.  If you're used to using
FTP on the command line, you're going to notice differences.

response 328 of 870:

Jan 10 16:12 UTC 2005

Regarding using ftp instead of lynx to fetch files from ftp sites, that is
like putting down your spoon and going off to look for a knife.  I am already
using lynx to find the file I need and it would be simpler, rather than
writing down the full pathname and filename and exiting lynx and then typing
it all into ftp (or even using 'screen' and copying it that way) to simply
fetch the file with lynx, or links.  Links is even set up to let you download
a file while continuing to browse so no need to use 'screen'.  In this case
I was trying to find a small DOS program for the Bulgarian neighbor to use
to type in Cyrillic and I found a few but they were at ftp sites (file
archives).  

response 330 of 870:

Jan 10 16:51 UTC 2005

I haven't noticed any difference using sftp rather than ftp -  but then, I'm
just using things like ls, rm, put, and get. 

response 332 of 870:

Jan 10 17:34 UTC 2005

<remmers bows>

response 334 of 870:

Jan 10 20:15 UTC 2005

I connected via ssh a few minutes ago and got a garbled mess following
entering my password. I'm dialed in now, although I also got that garble
on my first dialin attempt. It seems to be working OK now. 

response 336 of 870:

Jan 11 00:59 UTC 2005

Re 322:  Which problem is that, twenex?

Re 334:  That's a problem of not getting a tty.  I don't know why it happens,
but I've had it happen a couple or three times.

Re 335:  No, the mail-filters that were in use on the old machine cannot be
moved over.  We have to recreate them.