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Grex > Garage > #23: Telnetd removal from OpenBSD >= 3.8 and grex. | |
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eteepell
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response 31 of 57:
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Jan 6 00:22 UTC 2007 |
I'm of the opinion to keep the telnetd going until major OS's ship with SSH
in the base system. I like the idea of security but not at the expense of
causing troubles for newbies. In my circumstance I am often on grex at work,
which uses Windows, and which has a corporate policy of not allowing
installation of software of company computers (see my point?), a web based
solution, like a java ssh would be nice, then theres the pesky surfcontrol
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maus
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response 32 of 57:
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Jan 7 00:50 UTC 2007 |
Can you execute a third-party command if it does not require
installation? If so, look into putty. You can have full ssh capabilities
with 2 files without having to install anything. As another alternative,
I think you can download MindTerm for free if you just want it for
personal use. You can then simply execute "java -jar mindterm.zip
cyberspace.org".
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denise
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response 33 of 57:
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Jan 23 23:24 UTC 2007 |
Maybe a bit late in the discussion, I do hope telnet stays for awhile for us
non-techies on board. Though I've heard of ssh here, I have absolutely no idea
what that [or putty] is. So an easy, non-techie based option for being on
grex would be cool. :-)
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nharmon
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response 34 of 57:
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Jan 24 01:12 UTC 2007 |
Denise, I would say that using PuTTY is actually less "techie" than
using Windows telnet to access Grex.
Download a copy of PuTTY and give it a try.
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cross
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response 35 of 57:
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Jan 24 16:03 UTC 2007 |
I agree with nharmon; PuTTY is actually easier to use than Windows telnet.
Grab a copy from here: http://www.putty.nl/latest/x86/putty-0.58-installer.
exe
and give it a whirl....
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denise
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response 36 of 57:
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Jan 24 22:54 UTC 2007 |
What IS putty? Or does it explain what it is on the web site? I guess its
just something that I haven't ever been exposed to [but am willing to try and
learn].
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cross
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response 37 of 57:
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Jan 24 23:57 UTC 2007 |
In a nutshell, PuTTY is a "terminal program" that allows you to connect to
remote systems (like grex) over the Internet. It provides a superset of the
functionality of Windows telnet, which you might currently be using to connect
to grex.
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denise
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response 38 of 57:
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Jan 25 03:33 UTC 2007 |
Ok, thanks. I'll definitely check it out sometime in the next day or two when
I have a bit more time. :-)
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remmers
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response 39 of 57:
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Jan 25 17:30 UTC 2007 |
In circumstances where I've been forced to use Windows, I used PuTTY a
lot for connecting to systems with a terminal interface. Definitely
recommended.
One downside was non-standard copy-paste behavior (borrowed from X
Windows, if I recall correctly) that could have unfortunate consequences
if you weren't aware of it. I don't recall the exact details - it's
been a few years - and maybe it's been fixed.
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nharmon
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response 40 of 57:
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Jan 25 17:42 UTC 2007 |
Anything you highlight in PuTTY is copied onto the clipboard and right
clicking will paste everything in the clipboard.
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remmers
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response 41 of 57:
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Jan 25 17:56 UTC 2007 |
Oh, right. Still not fixed, eh?
Accidental copies followed by accidental pastes into a command line
interface can have unfortunate consequences. Regardless what you think
of Windows, applications for it *should* follow standard user interface
behavior.
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nharmon
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response 42 of 57:
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Jan 25 18:40 UTC 2007 |
Fixed implies it is broken, John. I kinda like that behavior. :-)
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cross
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response 43 of 57:
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Jan 25 19:21 UTC 2007 |
Yeah, that's one thing about PuTTY that I do NOT like.
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twenex
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response 44 of 57:
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Jan 25 20:14 UTC 2007 |
I love it.
What I hate about PuTTY is that it's only necessary on Windows!
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remmers
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response 45 of 57:
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Jan 25 23:29 UTC 2007 |
I don't mind the behavior either, but then I'm an X Window veteran,
where it's standard. But if you're going to make a product that's
friendly to the poor folks who are stuck on Windows, you shouldn't have
unpleasant little traps waiting for them. I guess a user preference for
X Window behavior or standard Windows behavior, with the latter being
the default, would be ok.
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cross
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response 46 of 57:
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Jan 25 23:47 UTC 2007 |
I agree with remmers here.
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nharmon
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response 47 of 57:
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Jan 26 01:03 UTC 2007 |
It appears that my version of PuTTY allows you to turn this feature off.
Window --> Selection --> (Options controlling copy and paste)
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gull
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response 48 of 57:
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Jan 27 22:12 UTC 2007 |
I kind of prefer the Windows behavior, and I configure my X systems to
follow it.
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gull
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response 49 of 57:
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Jan 27 22:13 UTC 2007 |
It also occurrs to me that maybe it should be referred to as "Mac
behavior," since it originated there and Windows copied it. ;)
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cross
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response 50 of 57:
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Jan 28 00:02 UTC 2007 |
I think the Principle of Least Surprise would dictate that PuTTY would use
the Windows behavior by default under Windows. When in Rome, and all that....
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twenex
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response 51 of 57:
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Jan 28 08:59 UTC 2007 |
OTOH, maybe the developers figure that the majority of people who use PuTTY
will be familiar with X11 anyway, and thus TPOLS dictates that X11 behaviour
by default is necessary?
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cross
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response 52 of 57:
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Jan 28 09:16 UTC 2007 |
That's entirely possible, too. I wonder what the rationale is....
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remmers
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response 53 of 57:
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Jan 29 12:56 UTC 2007 |
Re #51: That assumption may have been valid when PuTTY was new, but I'm
doubtful that it's still valid.
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maus
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response 54 of 57:
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Jan 29 14:29 UTC 2007 |
resp:53 For those of us who have been using PuTTY for years, the X11
way of doing it is ingrained in our brains, If they changed it to a
Windows behaviour, it would break the kinesthetic processes for long-
time users. I think that it might benefit from a large-print warning on
the webpage and a smaller-print explanantion of how to make it more
Windowsish (Windowsy? Windowsesque?).
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remmers
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response 55 of 57:
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Jan 29 15:48 UTC 2007 |
Oh, I have no objection to the X-like behavior remaining but don't think
it should be the default.
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