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Grex > Helpers > #138: Grex System Problems - Winter 2004/2005 |  |
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keesan
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response 308 of 870:
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Jan 10 03:24 UTC 2005 |
What is sftp?
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gelinas
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response 309 of 870:
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Jan 10 03:28 UTC 2005 |
SecureFileTransferProtocol. It encrypts the transfer session.
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blaise
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response 310 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:03 UTC 2005 |
ftp.slackware.com is not an HTTP site, so to access it through lynx you need
to use a complete URI -- ftp://ftp.slackware.com.
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keesan
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response 311 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:24 UTC 2005 |
I can type lynx ftp.slackware.com at my shell account at sdf.lonestar.org and
it works. Here it does not work, nor does it work to click on a link to the
site from another site. I don't recall having this problem at old grex.
Thanks to whoever fixed the pine settings so that it now asks again whether
to forward a message as an attachment so I can answer N and edit it first.
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keesan
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response 312 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:25 UTC 2005 |
lynx ftp://ftp.slackware.com gave me the same result as without the
ftp://. Unable to access ftp site. Perhaps it only works for staff?
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keesan
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response 313 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:29 UTC 2005 |
links ftp.slackware.com at sdf - connects immediately.
Here at grex 'No route to host'.
w3m is taking forever here and at sdf so I stopped waiting. Odd.
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gelinas
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response 314 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:31 UTC 2005 |
It doesn't work for me, either. Now, a question: why use a web browser when
something designed for the job, to wit, ftp, is available?
That's a lot like using a spoon to cut something while holding a knife is in
your other hand.
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twenex
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response 315 of 870:
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Jan 10 04:33 UTC 2005 |
Because M$ has managed to convince everyone that the Windows philosophy* works
better than the Unix philosophy?
*To wit: Do a zillion things, and do them as badly and inflexibly as possible.
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jep
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response 316 of 870:
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Jan 10 05:19 UTC 2005 |
There are two secure general purpose file transfer protocols:
ftps or ftp-ssh -- Plain old FTP over a secure connection
sftp -- a new protocol with an unfortunate name that makes it sound
like it's FTP, but it's not. Other than the name, it has nothing to
do with FTP.
I'd thought all of the free world had agreed to have nothing to do
with sftp. However, my knowledge of these two protocols does not go
far beyond what I have written in this response.
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tod
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response 317 of 870:
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Jan 10 06:48 UTC 2005 |
re #314
Some of us like to use cursors rather than type a command for every detail.
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sholmes
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response 318 of 870:
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Jan 10 07:03 UTC 2005 |
not really a problem but the Grex Faq says it's running SunOs.
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gelinas
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response 319 of 870:
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Jan 10 12:09 UTC 2005 |
Yeah, updating the web pages is on my list of things started.
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davel
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response 320 of 870:
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Jan 10 13:21 UTC 2005 |
OK, I tried fronttalk. Because I'd just read stuff with picospan, there was
nothing new to read. So I tried "read since 1/9" (and subsequently "read since
1/9/2005"), and it gave me errors 'Don't understand "/9"' and 'Don't understand
"/9/2005"' (respectively). After the errors, it jumped me into the middle (!)
of old stuff (item 1 response 118), for some reason.
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gelinas
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response 321 of 870:
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Jan 10 13:28 UTC 2005 |
When I tried "read since 1/9/2005", it gave the error Dave reports but took
me to the beginning of item 1. When I tried "read since jan 9 2005", it
took me first to item 9 and then item 1.
I suppose we should read the ft help.
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twenex
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response 322 of 870:
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Jan 10 14:27 UTC 2005 |
Re: #314. Those models are still around, they have their uses.
Any movement on the problem I've reported twice yet?
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petercon
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response 323 of 870:
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Jan 10 14:39 UTC 2005 |
resp:298 Thanks - mc works great!
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gull
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response 324 of 870:
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Jan 10 14:40 UTC 2005 |
Re resp:316: I know a fair number of sites that use SFTP exclusively, to
get around the problems of FTP -- mostly, its insecurity, and its
inability to play nice with firewalls.
FTP is still used for anonymous file access sites because SFTP doesn't
make any sense in that situation. That usage seems to be slowly
disappearing in favor of HTTP, though.
You're correct that SFTP doesn't resembly FTP much, protocol-wise. It's
really an extension of SSH. It is, however, a File Transfer Protocol. ;)
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remmers
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response 325 of 870:
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Jan 10 15:29 UTC 2005 |
And client user interfaces are usually designed to make it "look like"
ftp.
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gull
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response 326 of 870:
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Jan 10 15:47 UTC 2005 |
Yes, if you're used to using FTP graphically. If you're used to using
FTP on the command line, you're going to notice differences.
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remmers
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response 327 of 870:
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Jan 10 15:55 UTC 2005 |
I was actually thinking of command line interfaces. But we digress.
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keesan
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response 328 of 870:
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Jan 10 16:12 UTC 2005 |
Regarding using ftp instead of lynx to fetch files from ftp sites, that is
like putting down your spoon and going off to look for a knife. I am already
using lynx to find the file I need and it would be simpler, rather than
writing down the full pathname and filename and exiting lynx and then typing
it all into ftp (or even using 'screen' and copying it that way) to simply
fetch the file with lynx, or links. Links is even set up to let you download
a file while continuing to browse so no need to use 'screen'. In this case
I was trying to find a small DOS program for the Bulgarian neighbor to use
to type in Cyrillic and I found a few but they were at ftp sites (file
archives).
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keesan
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response 329 of 870:
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Jan 10 16:49 UTC 2005 |
zerofill is running multiple copies of vvopenbsd since 11:11 using up all the
cpu time.
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rcurl
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response 330 of 870:
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Jan 10 16:51 UTC 2005 |
I haven't noticed any difference using sftp rather than ftp - but then, I'm
just using things like ls, rm, put, and get.
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keesan
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response 331 of 870:
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Jan 10 17:23 UTC 2005 |
Thanks to whoever just fixed the vandal! Load average down from 60 to 0.0.
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remmers
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response 332 of 870:
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Jan 10 17:34 UTC 2005 |
<remmers bows>
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