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glenda
response 307 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 01:09 UTC 2006

Mostly knees, with the hips and ankles joining in on occasion just for fun.
I was having some pain in my right wrist last night while I was working on
a needlepoint piece.  I am hoping that it was because I had the frame leaning
against my desk rather than mounted in its stand (no room for the stand at
the moment)
slynne
response 308 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 01:11 UTC 2006

The physical therapy helped? How much does something like that cost? I
injured my knee recently and it isnt healing nearly as fast as I would
like. I have been walking anyways because the pain seems to mostly go
away when I walk but I keep wondering if there might be something I can
do to help it heal faster. Well, that is on my list of things to talk to
my doctor about. 

Glenda does bring up an interesting thought. How many physical ailments
actually make people fat. I mean, if a person has mobility issues, they
are likely to gain weight, right? I have heard people say that sleep
apnea probably causes some weight gain so that becomes a crazy cycle
too. Being overweight makes the sleep apnea worse and the worse the
sleep apnea is, the more people tend to gain weight. *shrug* 

glenda
response 309 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 03:28 UTC 2006

Therapy helped a bit with the overall stiffness, but not the pain.  My
insurance allows 60 PT sessions per problem per calendar year.  If I have to
go beyond that, med sport has what they call a "transitional" program. 
$50/month up to $400/year anytime the pool is open, but not with a therapist.
The pool is open basically all day Mon-Fri with limited hours on Sat.  My
problem is that I need the therapist and he is only in the pool area for two
hours a day Mon-Fri.  Unfortunately, I am in class (working classes) during
those times this semester.  Maybe next term as I am currently planning on not
taking classes and the classes being offered that I would cover are evening
classes.

It is also unfortunate that we have been unable to find anything that will
take care of the pain.  OT drugs don't work, nisads don't work, muscle
relaxants don't help.  The only thing the Dr can offer at this point is
narcotics.  For the moment, I will live with the pain.  I need to be able to
drive, both the car and computers.  I need my brain firing without the
interferance of narcotics.  If the pain gets too much worse, or I get to the
point that STeve and the kids can't put up with the moods caused by the pain,
I will consider narcotics, until then I will put up with it.
tod
response 310 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 04:44 UTC 2006

I hear donuts cure sleep apnea and knee problems.  The trick is to wash them
down with chocolae milk and ice cream.
happyboy
response 311 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 09:16 UTC 2006

gad dam str8!
glenda
response 312 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 10:09 UTC 2006

Thanks, but no thanks.  Way too much sugar for me.
richard
response 313 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 20:44 UTC 2006

taking a shot of a good 12 year old scotch or some other liquor of your 
choice before bed might help.  You that Nyquil's primary ingredient is 
alcohol.  
cyklone
response 314 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 20:47 UTC 2006

Wow, talk about contrary to common medical wisdom . . . .
richard
response 315 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 22:51 UTC 2006

cyklone, no its not.  alcohol is a downer, you drink it and it goes to 
your brain and reduces activity in the central nervous system.  It 
reduces brain activity, which is what has to happen to induce sleep.  
Why do you think they put it in nyquil?
scholar
response 316 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 23:06 UTC 2006

Nyquil is 10% alcohol.  A standard dose of Nyquil is 30 mL -- which would have
3 mL of alcohol in it.  A single 341 mL bottle of 5% beer has 17.05 mL of
alcohol.  Why would an insignificant amount of alcohol be included as a
sedative when Nyquil already contains a significant amount of the sedative
doxylamine succinate?

Should Agora include a regular item to document instances of Richard's lies?
slynne
response 317 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 00:53 UTC 2006

I suspect that the alcohol in NyQuil interacts with the other drugs in
NyQuil which in turn induces drowsiness. Alcohol itself can also do the
same thing but if IRC, when people go to sleep after drinking, the
quality of sleep is negatively effected. 
scholar
response 318 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:16 UTC 2006

If the alcohol acted to induce drowsiness, it would be included in the active
ingredients list, which it isn't.
keesan
response 319 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:21 UTC 2006

Alcohol is a preservative, which is why it may be in some liquid medications
such as mouthwash.
scholar
response 320 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 01:23 UTC 2006

And it's obviously not included because it is an antiseptic.
slynne
response 321 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:16 UTC 2006

huh. and all of this time, I thought the alcohol helped the NyQuil knock
folks out. 
keesan
response 322 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:42 UTC 2006

Lynne, if you happen to be in central Ann Arbor we will be happy to go for
a walk along the river with you.  Today we took a little walk from the dam
to Bandemer Park and back.  It is mostly level.  We could also walk the other
direction to the Arboretum along the river, and then to Gallup Park where they
are even more trails, also level, and lots of geese and ducks.
richard
response 323 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:58 UTC 2006

re #318 Or maybe we should start documenting how many times Scholar 
says I'm lying when I am not.  Here is a link to a chart which tells 
you how much % alcohol is in Nyquil:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/1127525665.html

As the chart tells you, I was in fact off on it.  Nyquil is 25% 
alcohol.  Taking a swig of Nyquil is akin to taking a shot of whiskey 
and maybe two or three Tylenol.  
richard
response 324 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:00 UTC 2006

You can also see by that list that many cold medicines are high 
alcohol content.  If you have a cold you could be just as well off 
drinking a brandy than taking Contact Severe Cold Medecine which is 
also 25% alcohol.
scholar
response 325 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:03 UTC 2006

Yet another complete and total lie.

Look at http://vicks.com/products/nyquil_liquid.shtml.  Look at a bottle of
NyQuil.  It's 10%.
naftee
response 326 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:05 UTC 2006

that doesn't mean it's an active ingredient, though ; scholar's still right.

Advertised Brand: NyQuil(R) or DayQuil(R) 
Active Ingredient: Acetaminophen, Dextromethorphan, Doxylamine Succinate* and
Pseudoephedrine HCl (* ingredient is not included in DayQuil(R)) 
Store Brand Product: Nite Time Liquid or Softgels; Day Time Liquid or Softgels

(taken from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=16181 )
scholar
response 327 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:10 UTC 2006

By the way:  Far from being equivalent to a drink of whiskey (which has about
37 millilitres of alcohol), a standard dose of 25% alcohol NyQuil would have
7 millilitres of alcohol.  We're talking about VERY small amounts of alcohol.
richard
response 328 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:29 UTC 2006

scholar I provided my source.  I don't even see on yours where it says 
ten percent.  Why would my source document all those medecines and 
their alcohol percentages, and its a reputable source, and you not 
believe it?  Vicks is always going to downplay the alcohol content in 
their product.  They want you to think its a miracle drug when its not.

Anyway providing documented information, which I did, is not lying.  
And it really doesn't matter if it is 10% or 25%, it is still the 
largest percentage ingredient, active or inactive, in the product.  
scholar
response 329 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 03:34 UTC 2006

You're dumb.

If a pharmaceutical company lied on its website (even if Richard Wallner is
too dumb to find the lie) or on the packaging of its products about how much
alcohol is in them, they would get the shit beaten out of them by the
government, consumers, etc.

Fact is, you're lying and even if you weren't, it still woudln't be nearly
enough alcohol to provide the effect you're attributing to it.
slynne
response 330 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 06:45 UTC 2006

resp:322 Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it but dont find myself
getting to central Ann Arbor much these days. Luckily, there are lots of
nice places to walk here in Ypsi. I am doing a program designed by a
couple of experts on eating disorders right now and part of that program
is to "create an environment of plenty" by grocery shopping often. One
of my walking routes takes me by the Ypsi food coop. Even though food is
more expensive there, it is mostly natural and stuff that I like. So I
think I am going to try to make a habit of going there a couple of times
a week.
glenda
response 331 of 378: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 07:10 UTC 2006

Re #313:  Recommending alcohol as a remedy or medical aid for anything is
really a bad idea.  Why would I want to trade pain (that shows that I am at
least still alive) for alcoholism.  That's the amount I would have to take.
That aside, I am severly allergic to Nyquil.  The one time I tried it I could
feel my muscles go numb and unresponsive.  Even my diaphram started to freeze
up, fortunately only enough to make breathing a conscious effert and not
enough to stop it altogether.  Night time alcohol is out because of other
medications I take at bedtime.  A long time ago I decided that breathing was
much more important and thrilling than drinking.  I like alcohol, I am part
Native American, I know that I have addiction problems and would prefer that
the addictions remain to caffeine and chocolate rather than alcohol.  I don't
drink as a rule as a matter of choice, I probably have less than 5 drinks a
year and prefer it that way.  I don't think that regular drinking for any
reason is a good idea, occasional social drinking ok, regular drinking to deal
with other problems bad.
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