response 306 of 870:

Jan 9 17:39 UTC 2005

I think my problem with not being able to using kermit file transfer between
sdf and here is that I was telnetted to grex at the time.  Just now I was able
to dial in to grex (with kermit) and then ssh to sdf and then do a kermit file
transfer and amazingly the file did not get renamed L12344.htm but kept its
original name and ended up not at grex but at my own computer.  Lovely!

In order to fetch a file with wget I would first need to use lynx or links
or w3m and do a google search to find the file name and path, then exit the
browser to use w3m (or at least shell out of it).  Simpler to download the
file with the browser so I hope this can be fixed.  

If I am telnetted to grex I guess I will just have to use ftp to move files
from sdf to grex.  Instead of having to exit my telnet connection to do this
I can use the 'screen' program which lets me do several things at once at grex
such as telnet in one screen and ftp in the other.  (Or if I am using linux
instead of DOS to telnet in the first place I can ftp from another linux
terminal).  It will still be nice to get lynx working again at ftp sites but
there are a lot of ways around this.  The large email problem should certainly
be attacked first for the benefit of the grexer who complained of getting
several a day and having to empty the inbox several times a day.  

response 308 of 870:

Jan 10 03:24 UTC 2005

What is sftp?

response 310 of 870:

Jan 10 04:03 UTC 2005

ftp.slackware.com is not an HTTP site, so to access it through lynx you need
to use a complete URI -- ftp://ftp.slackware.com.

response 312 of 870:

Jan 10 04:25 UTC 2005

lynx ftp://ftp.slackware.com   gave me the same result as without the
ftp://. Unable to access ftp site.  Perhaps it only works for staff?

response 314 of 870:

Jan 10 04:31 UTC 2005

It doesn't work for me, either.  Now, a question:  why use a web browser when
something designed for the job, to wit, ftp, is available?

That's a lot like using a spoon to cut something while holding a knife is in
your other hand.

response 316 of 870:

Jan 10 05:19 UTC 2005

There are two secure general purpose file transfer protocols:

ftps or ftp-ssh -- Plain old FTP over a secure connection

sftp -- a new protocol with an unfortunate name that makes it sound 
like it's FTP, but it's not.  Other than the name, it has nothing to 
do with FTP.

I'd thought all of the free world had agreed to have nothing to do 
with sftp.  However, my knowledge of these two protocols does not go 
far beyond what I have written in this response.

response 318 of 870:

Jan 10 07:03 UTC 2005

not really a problem but the Grex Faq says it's running SunOs.

response 320 of 870:

Jan 10 13:21 UTC 2005

OK, I tried fronttalk.  Because I'd just read stuff with picospan, there was
nothing new to read.  So I tried "read since 1/9" (and subsequently "read since
1/9/2005"), and it gave me errors 'Don't understand "/9"' and 'Don't understand
"/9/2005"' (respectively). After the errors, it jumped me into the middle (!)
of old stuff (item 1 response 118), for some reason.

response 322 of 870:

Jan 10 14:27 UTC 2005

Re: #314. Those models are still around, they have their uses.

Any movement on the problem I've reported twice yet?

response 324 of 870:

Jan 10 14:40 UTC 2005

Re resp:316: I know a fair number of sites that use SFTP exclusively, to
get around the problems of FTP -- mostly, its insecurity, and its
inability to play nice with firewalls.

FTP is still used for anonymous file access sites because SFTP doesn't
make any sense in that situation.  That usage seems to be slowly
disappearing in favor of HTTP, though.

You're correct that SFTP doesn't resembly FTP much, protocol-wise.  It's
really an extension of SSH.  It is, however, a File Transfer Protocol. ;)

response 326 of 870:

Jan 10 15:47 UTC 2005

Yes, if you're used to using FTP graphically.  If you're used to using
FTP on the command line, you're going to notice differences.

response 328 of 870:

Jan 10 16:12 UTC 2005

Regarding using ftp instead of lynx to fetch files from ftp sites, that is
like putting down your spoon and going off to look for a knife.  I am already
using lynx to find the file I need and it would be simpler, rather than
writing down the full pathname and filename and exiting lynx and then typing
it all into ftp (or even using 'screen' and copying it that way) to simply
fetch the file with lynx, or links.  Links is even set up to let you download
a file while continuing to browse so no need to use 'screen'.  In this case
I was trying to find a small DOS program for the Bulgarian neighbor to use
to type in Cyrillic and I found a few but they were at ftp sites (file
archives).