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tsty
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response 303 of 335:
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Sep 16 04:42 UTC 2003 |
the other eWUOM engineer i knew (who got a royal screwing
from the "establishment") was James Paffenbarger.
this makes two in a row. wazup wid dat?
i'd mention a too-much-influence naem of a person probably
responsible but the ppl's republic would react with
too much shock and awe .... those closet bushies.
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tod
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response 304 of 335:
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Sep 16 05:01 UTC 2003 |
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dah
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response 305 of 335:
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Sep 16 11:22 UTC 2003 |
You know, leading Scientists say that people who talk to people soon to commit
suicide, and "don't get [no] clues" are usually wrong. They did get clues
and just didn't pay enough attention to the PSTCS.
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cmcgee
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response 306 of 335:
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Sep 16 11:41 UTC 2003 |
hogwash.
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johnnie
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response 307 of 335:
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Sep 16 14:42 UTC 2003 |
Well, there are clues, but nothing so obvious that you're going to pick
it up in a ten-minute conversation. And even if you're around the
potential suicide on a regular basis, the clues may be too subtle to
understand except *maybe* in retrospect.
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aruba
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response 308 of 335:
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Sep 16 15:00 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, dah's post is bullshit. There is no way to read someone's mind. The
kind of clues he's talking about are probably about as accurate a predicter
of the future as the daily horoscope.
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rcurl
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response 309 of 335:
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Sep 16 15:05 UTC 2003 |
Would you please identify a couple of the leading Scientists you cite in
#305, dah?
I'm inclined to think johnnie and aruba are right. There are probably
more instances of the same kind of clues from people that do not commit
suicide.
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cmcgee
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response 310 of 335:
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Sep 16 16:59 UTC 2003 |
If "clues" could tell you who was or was not going to commit suicide, no one
under the care of a therapist would ever do so. Their therapist would see
the "clues" and take appropriate steps.
One of the few remaining ways to have someone committed to a mental facility
is if they are a threat to themselves. It is still illegal to commit suicide
in Michigan, and anyone who knows that someone is going to attempt it is
legally required to report this to the police. If "clues" were really
diagnostic, there'd be a lot fewer suicides.
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tod
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response 311 of 335:
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Sep 16 17:02 UTC 2003 |
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dah
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response 312 of 335:
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Sep 16 21:38 UTC 2003 |
307: If you pay attention to people, which I and others do, you can often
grasp much more beyon what's directly said.
309: I heard it on the radio and don't remember the names.
310: Not all therapists pay enough attention to their patients. As well,
they're just clues; they're, you're right, not diagnostic; and that's, of
course, conmbined with the limited steps a therapist can take to prevent
suicide based simply on apparently lack evidence.
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mary
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response 313 of 335:
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Sep 16 22:03 UTC 2003 |
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MICHAEL!
-A Fan
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albaugh
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response 314 of 335:
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Sep 17 03:37 UTC 2003 |
IWLTA that the Detroit Shock, the local WNBA team, beat LA in the deciding
game 3 at the Palace to become champs of 2003. This represented a complete
turnaround from worst team in the league last year to first this year.
In a bit of "history repeating", the Shock's coach Bill Laimbeer, once of
Piston fame, on a team that kept the LA Lakers from 3-peating, defeated LA
Sparks coach Michael Cooper, of that very Lakers team, thus keeping the Sparks
from 3-peating.
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lynne
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response 315 of 335:
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Sep 17 14:37 UTC 2003 |
re 312: Yeah. How many attempted suicides have you prevented then? And
while you're at it, proofread your comments before posting.
re 313: Who's Michael?
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dah
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response 316 of 335:
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Sep 17 15:25 UTC 2003 |
I've never had anyone with whom I've interacted commit suicide.
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mynxcat
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response 317 of 335:
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Sep 17 15:28 UTC 2003 |
I have. But that was a cpl of years before he actualyl did commit suicide.
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remmers
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response 318 of 335:
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Sep 17 16:46 UTC 2003 |
Re #315 re #313: Michael Delizia (md) presumably.
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anderyn
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response 319 of 335:
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Sep 17 18:32 UTC 2003 |
I have, and while I could see that they were depressed, I would never have
thought they would commit suicide. The people who WERE worried about that did
talk to the person about it, and were assured that it was not going to happen,
several times (including that person's best friend, husband, and therapist).
I talked to the person on the day they committed suicide and I'll swear that
they sounded tired, but not any different than any other day -- so you can
imagine I've combed my thoughts a thousand times to see if there was any way
I could have heard it... because I would have done anything I could to have
stopped it, if I'd known.
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slynne
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response 320 of 335:
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Sep 18 00:51 UTC 2003 |
re suicide. Even if you can see it coming, you cant always prevent it.
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mcnally
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response 321 of 335:
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Sep 20 08:21 UTC 2003 |
I would like to announce that I've arrived safely back in Alaska after
spending the last 10 days in a 26 foot boat travelling from Ketchikan
down to Anacortes, Washington.
I had a fantastic time and if I ever get caught up everything else I've
been meaning to take care of I'll post an edited version of my trip log
as an item in fall Agora.
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slynne
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response 322 of 335:
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Sep 20 09:18 UTC 2003 |
Oh wow. That sounds like a really fun thing to do.
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goose
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response 323 of 335:
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Sep 20 19:38 UTC 2003 |
I'd love to hear about the trip Mike.
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mcnally
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response 324 of 335:
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Sep 21 02:10 UTC 2003 |
I'll definitely post something when I've had a chance to sort out my
impressions into something coherent.
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tod
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response 325 of 335:
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Sep 21 14:00 UTC 2003 |
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tsty
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response 326 of 335:
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Sep 21 16:47 UTC 2003 |
mcnally floats his boat ... and has fun doing it- --kewl4u
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mcnally
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response 327 of 335:
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Sep 21 19:10 UTC 2003 |
re #325: We pulled into Cap Sante Harbor and apart from the time I
spent securing a rental car to take me to SeaTac and stopping for a
snack on the way out of town that was about all I saw of Anacortes.
I should probably go back next time I'm in Puget Sound for a while,
though, as it appeared to be a neat little town. I don't think I've
been there before except to catch the Anacortes -> Port Sidney ferry
and you don't really go into town to get to the ferry terminal.
On the way back it was nice to have a car and a free day down in
Seattle; I got to run around and pick up some things that aren't
easy to find up here in the islands of SE Alaska.
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