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keesan
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response 30 of 69:
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Jun 25 20:29 UTC 1999 |
Julie has a lovely smile.
I would like to gain 5 pounds but am too busy to eat often.
Average for the USA is not average for the world, or what I would consider
normal or healthy. That includes not only weight but diet (percentage of meat
and fat and sugar) and as a result also cholesterol and blood pressure. A
cholesterol count of 200 is considered normal (average) here, but 125 is
healthier and is normal for China. The human body has not evolved to carry
around large amounts of fat for long periods - it is hard on the joints as
well as the circulatory system. And hot in the summer.
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otter
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response 31 of 69:
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Jun 26 00:01 UTC 1999 |
ref #24: "Overweight" seems to imply that there is a proper weight which one
has gone over. Remember the life insurance height/weight charts of years ago?
Society and medical science seem slow to realize that different bodies are
made to carry different amounts of weight, and that differing percentages of
that weight will be made up of adipose tissue.
Yes, too much fat will cause health problems, as will too little.
My personal guideline: if a person's girth is the first thing one notices,
that person is probably not at a healthy weight. (high or low)
I said earlier that I am fat. I mean that as opposed to being thin, which
I am not designed to be. Eating sensibly and exercising have made me
healthy. I truly believe that anyone who isn't willing to do that much for
themselves has *far* bigger problems than the size of their butt.
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beeswing
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response 32 of 69:
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Jun 26 22:40 UTC 1999 |
I have heard comments from thin people (as in Kate Moss types) that
they're also tired of being labeled as freakish because of their
thinness. Just as an overweight person would be tired of hearing "Your
heart! Your joints! Your butt! Yeech!" a very thin person who is just
genetically thin gets tired of "Ewww! You're too skinny! What's wrong
with you?".
Take for instance Calista Flockart (Ally McBeal) and Celine Dion. I'd
wager that both these women are just naturally small-boned and thin.
Celine has had to go so far as to eat M & M's in public to squelch the
rumors that she starves herself.
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katie
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response 33 of 69:
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Jun 27 06:21 UTC 1999 |
When she was young, she was not so thin, and she was much more attractive.
Many women who get really thin develop horse-like features of the face. I
don't know what's up with that. Sarah Jessica Parker and Celine Dion are
examples.
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md
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response 34 of 69:
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Jun 27 12:36 UTC 1999 |
I've wondered about that, too. I think what
happens is the horse bones were always under
there, but you couldn't see them when they
were covered with "baby fat."
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beeswing
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response 35 of 69:
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Jun 27 18:23 UTC 1999 |
Horse bones. Heheheee! Yeah Celine does have the horse effect, but I
think that is also exacerbated by her stick-straight hair she's sporting
now. Feh.
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clees
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response 36 of 69:
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Jun 29 06:01 UTC 1999 |
A message from the skinny department.
All my life I have looked scrawny, skin to the bone.
Which also resulted in a total lack of what people consider male beauty,
physically (muscles, broad shoulders, thight butt <no butt at all in my
case)>. The last couple of years that has grown worse with all the
Chippendales shit and such. Finally I am beginning to understand what
most women must have been going through, being forced to an ideal you
can never accomplish. Now that I am well in my thirties, at least I have
*some* butt and my shoulders are getting broader as well, to keep
things in balance my hair is thinning.
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swa
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response 37 of 69:
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Aug 25 04:18 UTC 1999 |
Hmm... I'd always been short and scrawny. I know that this is genetic...
I come from a long line of short, scrawny women. But it made me
self-conscious, because so many people seemed to see "skinny" and
"anorexic" as synonyms, and some made very rude comments. (I don't
'understand this; if you met someone who *was* anorexic, how exactly would
you be helping them by insulting them?) I was healthy, just small. Very
delighted
to gain weight in college -- I now weigh somewhere around 125. I'm still
self-conscious, although mostly I'm self-conscious about being short,
oddly enough. Makes no sense.
It scares me that among my generation, where women seem to be encouraging
each other and themselves to like their bodies more and more, men seem to
be doing the opposite. My female friends, on average, seem dissatisfied
with their bodies but a bit happier than my aunts or my mother's friends.
My male friends -- both fat *and* skinny -- generally feel quite
self-conscious about ti. But maybe I've just got an atypical group of
friends. <shrug>
I think that our society encourages people of all ages, genders and body
types to hate themselves. Some succumb more than others.
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clees
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response 38 of 69:
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Oct 11 11:49 UTC 1999 |
It's the ideal picture, the unreachable, super model type of beauty
that pushes ordinary people (with common worries and joys) into the
pit of bodily despair.
I am not really dissatisfied with the way I look. I like my body to be
tight (at least). No muscles, but no obesity either. As long as I feel
physically fit, I am doing fine.
Beauty is what you feel about yourself. When you feel
pretty/handsome/gorgeous/sexy etc., you are pretty etc. because you will
radiate this to the outside world, who will notcie it. Over the years I
have come to terms with the fact that I am skinny, and that I no matter
what excercise I put into it, no muscles will develop, no sixpack for a
stomach. On a whole I feel good about myself.
The hard part is the coming to terms with your own flaws when the media
are all about beautiful people. Just take alook at the average soap or
movie.
That's why it's a good thing that a sitcom like Roseanne became so
popular. The people pictured are much closer to reality than, let's say
the Bold and the Beautiful, even though the characters in Roseanne are
witty beyond reality.
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md
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response 39 of 69:
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Oct 11 12:45 UTC 1999 |
As a result of a playground accident when she
was 8, my 13-year-old daughter has a scar under
her right eye. It's smallish -- about 1" -- but
very distinct. Yesterday I caught her smiling
into a mirror. When I asked her what she was
doing, she said, "Just looking at my face. I
*love* my scar." "You do?" "Yeah, it looks just
like the Nike logo!"
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beeswing
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response 40 of 69:
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Oct 12 18:35 UTC 1999 |
Sounds like you've raised a confident daughter, Michael... I was a total
bag of insecurities when I was 13.
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md
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response 41 of 69:
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Oct 12 22:12 UTC 1999 |
Thank you, bees. Looks like I've also raised a
very brand-name-conscious daughter, so much so
that she even loves her scar if it looks like a
Nike logo.
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glenda
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response 42 of 69:
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Oct 12 23:54 UTC 1999 |
Staci is 12.
Staci split her head open just below the hair line, dead center; school wanted
us to take her to the Dr and have it stitched; STeve brought her to me at work
and I tape stitched it (it was only about 3/4" long and superficial, just
bleed like crazy as head wounds are apt to do). She has a scar you really
have to look for to see. She's proud of it. She also fractured her arm in
that little episode and the school said nothing about the arm.
My sister gave Staci her old bike when she got a new one. The first time
Staci took it out she didn't realize just how much of a slope our apartment
building is on and it sort of got away from her. She came in with a chuck
of flesh out of her knee. I finally got it cleaned out and bandaged it up,
felt that it probably could use a couple of stitches since it was a bit
deeper than I like to tape stitch. I called STeve to come home since it was
also bleeding quite a bit. By the time he got home from Lansing it had pretty
much stopped bleeding so we just bandaged it up and sent her to bed. As it
started healing she kept saying that she had a hole in her knee and how cool
that was. She was very disappointed that the hole completely filled in and
the scar became faint.
The cyst she had removed from her shoulder developed a nasty ketoid type scar
that she thinks is really neat and often shows off by wearing spaghetti strap
tank tops.
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md
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response 43 of 69:
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Oct 13 00:00 UTC 1999 |
Sounds exactly like our Lauren. After entering
the above #41, I asked my wife if she could think
of any insecurities, adolescent or otherwise,
that Lauren might have. We honestly can't think
of a single one.
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glenda
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response 44 of 69:
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Oct 13 01:29 UTC 1999 |
Same here. The only thing that seems to bother her is riding the AATA
alone. She had to yesterday morning since she screwed up her alarm
and didn't get up on time and I have an 8am class with a quiz first
thing. She said it was fun so that is over.
She does get very pissed at Damon when he calls her fat, but I think
she would get just as pissed if he called her skinny. One of those
big brother, little sister things. She is a bit pudgy, is aware of
it, but does worry about it much beyond saying that she should ride
her bike more.
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swa
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response 45 of 69:
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Oct 24 20:32 UTC 1999 |
Why is it that it's quite fashionable to hate your appearance, but utterly
taboo to love it? The other day I was looking in the mirror and thinking,
"Hmm, I like the way I look today," and then realized that to say so
publicly would be considered very vain. Yet all the time you hear people
say loudly and publicly, "I'm so fat," or other such self-denunciations.
Seems like a weird double standard, in that you're allowed to completely
obsess about your appearance only if you do so in a negative manner --
otherwise you must be indifferent.
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response 46 of 69:
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Oct 24 21:03 UTC 1999 |
"I'm happy I'm so rich!" vs. "I'm bummed that I'm broke" comes under
the same double standard (IMO). What other attributes are considered
bad vs. okay to vocalize this way?
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mooncat
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response 47 of 69:
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Oct 25 05:07 UTC 1999 |
Sara- yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Personally, I don't think there's
anything wrong if someone is happy with their appearance. For the most
part, I think I look pretty okay. Yeah, I'd like to lose some weight, but
overall- I'm not bad looking. Yet to say that I may come off as sounding
horribly vain. That could be part of it, people don't want to sound vain-
and I guess you're only considered vain if you say positive things about
yourself. For me, I think it's healthier for people to be honest about
themselves- and think that while they're not 'God's gift' they're not
hideous either... Does this make any sense?
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keesan
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response 48 of 69:
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Oct 26 00:27 UTC 1999 |
Is this something to do with the evil eye. (You must not praise anyone or
the evil eye will find them.)
The trick is to tell someone else how nice they look and they will
reciprocate.
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mooncat
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response 49 of 69:
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Oct 26 11:30 UTC 1999 |
I've been finding lately that when I compliment people they have to
disagree. I don't think it really has anything to do with the 'evil
eye' so much as we're not supposed to honeslty think well of our
appearance. I've been given the occasional compliment that I didn't
agree with- but I was raised to just say thank you. <grins> I actually
kind of bothers me when I tell someone "Wow, you look great" or something
and they say "no, I don't." <shrugs>
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orinoco
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response 50 of 69:
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Oct 26 17:41 UTC 1999 |
But for some people, it's difficult to accept compliments. It takes effort
for me to just say "thank you" rather than disagreeing or getting defensive.
Not sure why that is.
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mooncat
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response 51 of 69:
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Oct 26 20:17 UTC 1999 |
Hmm, do you feel like the compliment is inappropriate or wrong?
I was just taught that it just makes the complimentor feel better if you
just smile politely and say "Thank you." I've also noticed that I have
an easier time with things like clothes, then things attached to me-
for example "I really like that outfit" as opposed to "Your hair looks
really good cut like that." Thie first is easier for me to feel good
about and the second makes me fight the 'no, it doesn't, really' reply.
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beeswing
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response 52 of 69:
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Oct 26 23:30 UTC 1999 |
I get that with the "Ooh you've lost weight" compliment... most of the
time I haven't lost weight. It's either the clothes or maybe I've lost
inches, but not weight. Not sure how to respond because if I say "No, I
haven't!" it's interpreted as: "Nooo! I'm a big fat cow!", when I'm just
saying I have not actually lost weight. I usually respond with a "Dunno,
I don't have a scale at home." Which is the truth.
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keesan
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response 53 of 69:
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Oct 30 00:26 UTC 1999 |
I tell people working at the library or the bank that I like their clothing.
They are generally ignored as part of the machinery. Every one has thanked
me, as have random strangers on the street when I admired the color of their
skirt. (I have not tried complimenting the opposite sex, maybe I should as
an experiment, and report back.) Has anyone tried complimenting a man on his
appearance? Are men allowed to say thank you?
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orinoco
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response 54 of 69:
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Oct 30 05:22 UTC 1999 |
People sometimes tell me they like a t-shirt I'm wearing, but that's not
really the same sort of thing. I don't think anyone's ever complimented me
out of the blue on "real" clothing I'm wearing. Of course, given the amount
of effort I put into what I wear, that's hardly surprising....
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