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cscolt
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response 30 of 241:
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Jul 30 23:06 UTC 2003 |
At my High School in California has never had problems with homosexuals being
beaten or outcast here there is just friendship sounds corny but were mostly
just friends
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beeswing
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response 31 of 241:
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Jul 31 04:15 UTC 2003 |
Sadly, Tod, many teachers and administrators choose to turn a blind eye
to bullying and harassment. I think it's only now getting to where they
might do something about it.
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happyboy
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response 32 of 241:
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Jul 31 08:32 UTC 2003 |
r29: exactly.
r31: what will happen if the teachers and administrators of the
gay highschool don't do enough to prevent the bulldykes from
stealing lunch money from the nellies?
HUH?
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edina
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response 33 of 241:
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Jul 31 13:24 UTC 2003 |
If I had a gay child that was being harassed, thus effecting their ability
to get an an education, and they wanted to go to this school, I'd back it.
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slynne
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response 34 of 241:
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Jul 31 14:30 UTC 2003 |
resp:21 - If you believe the Kinsey scale, almost everyone is at least
a little bit bisexual so they wouldnt *really* be lying.
re: bullies. I think most harrassment goes on outside of the view of
the teachers and administrators. Also, by the teenage years, most
harrassment is social and verbal. It isnt like the teachers can make
the popular kids invite the gay kids to parties.
I like the idea of having many different kinds of high schools in a
district. But, it does seem odd to have an all gay highschool. Maybe
they could have a small highschool in the same location where part of
the curriculum would include discussions about sexuality and acceptance
of different sexual orientations. This might help the gay students
learn to accept their own sexuality without feeling the need to isolate
themselves.
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tod
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response 35 of 241:
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Jul 31 16:29 UTC 2003 |
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polytarp
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response 36 of 241:
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Jul 31 19:24 UTC 2003 |
I h8 fags.
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richard
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response 37 of 241:
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Jul 31 21:39 UTC 2003 |
The new all-gay high school is going to be located in Astor Place in
Manhattan, next to the East Village. A nice area. There are kids
going to overcrowded schools in the Bronx or Queens, who might think
outing themselves, truthfully or lying, to be a small price to pay to
get transferred to a a nice small school in a cool neighborhood in
Manhattan. This is why they have to decide what means they will use to
determine which kids asking for transfer are really gay. A note from a
doctor or therapist who has seen the student? Some kind of written
exam?
Also it won't be "all-gay" as the guidelines for the school
specifically include transgenders and cross dressers. And contrary to
common myth, not all crossdressers are gay. Some guys who dress like
women are perfectly straight. But they'd be allowed to attend this
school, as they'd get ridiculed for crossdressing in a regular school
as much as gays would
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mynxcat
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response 38 of 241:
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Jul 31 21:47 UTC 2003 |
Maybe more.
So why can't a straight person attend this school? Since sexuality is not a
deciding factor, I would assume that they should allow straight kids too. Or
kids who aren't sure of their sexuality. I bullying is what they're worried
about, I think it would be easier to control in a school that was
predominantly gay.
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tod
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response 39 of 241:
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Jul 31 21:51 UTC 2003 |
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klg
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response 40 of 241:
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Aug 1 00:45 UTC 2003 |
From abcnews.com:
On its Web site, the Hetrick-Martin Institute describes the Harvey Milk
School as "the nation's first accredited public high school designed to
meet the needs of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning
youth (LGBTQ)."
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keesan
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response 41 of 241:
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Aug 1 04:55 UTC 2003 |
That is a ridiculous statement. I know a cross dresser. He just likes to
wear women's clothing. I don't - am I also insane?
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happyboy
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response 42 of 241:
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Aug 1 07:56 UTC 2003 |
probably.
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edina
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response 43 of 241:
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Aug 1 14:52 UTC 2003 |
Hmmmm. Eddie Izzard is a cross dresser. Doesn't seem insane or suicidal to
me . . .matter of fact, he's talented to beat the band.
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tod
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response 44 of 241:
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Aug 1 18:04 UTC 2003 |
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beeswing
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response 45 of 241:
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Aug 2 03:53 UTC 2003 |
Hm. So they welcome Questioning students as well. Again, what happens if
the kid realizes they aren't gay?
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twenex
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response 46 of 241:
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Aug 2 08:49 UTC 2003 |
Segregation?
Re: 44 - Eddie Izzard is a British comedian. Exceedingly funny.
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twenex
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response 47 of 241:
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Aug 2 09:25 UTC 2003 |
There's such a thing as TOO much political correctness? Yay! Somebody said
it! Better be careful of the Bleeding Heart Brigade, though.
Segregation can be a good thing if it's done properly. No-one worries in
England that kids will grow up unable to deal with Protestants or atheists
if they go to Catholic school, for example (which isn't to say there aren't
religious people who can't deal w/ atheists or vice versa).
I went to a segregated school, for kids with disabilities. They had me walking
within three months when previously i couldn't work at all, and by this time
I was five.
My parents had me transferred to a state (equivalent of US public) school,
though, when they found out that the special school hadn't taught me to read
until age 7. I remember teaching my class teacher how to use the computer (an
8-bit Acorn "BBC" computer specifically desinged for the educational market)
*after* she came back from a two-day training course on, you guessed it, how
to use computers. I was also top of the class in maths (which anyone who knew
me in mainstream school would have found laughable, if it weren't for the fact
that some of the kids had mental difficulties).
So segregated/special schools have advantages and disadvantages. If the NY
BoE think this is going to stop bullying, though, they are dreaming.
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lk
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response 48 of 241:
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Aug 2 10:52 UTC 2003 |
Straight teenagers will "out" themselves, pretend to be gay, just to go to
a school that may (or may not) be less crowded? Is that progress?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/gayschool030728.html
"I think everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the
kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and
beaten in other schools," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said at a briefing
today. "It lets them get an education without having to worry. It
solves a discipline problem. And from a pedagogical point of view,
this administration and previous administrations have thought it
was a good idea and we'll continue with that."
The Harvey Milk school was actually begun in 1984. Teachers were paid by the
city but the Hetrick-Martin Institute bore most of the costs and managed it.
So there is 20 years worth of data and experience that I presume the NY BoE
is considering.
When the school first opened, it had a hard time getting teachers. Eventually
an ultra-Orthodox Jewish woman was asked to teach there, which caused her an
ethical dilemma. After discussing the matter first with her husband and then
with her Rabbi, she still was at a loss over what to do. So it was decided to
ask the learned and wise head Rabbi in Israel. Word came back as follows:
What? You have an opportunity to teach children that no one else
wants to teach? It's a mitzvah!
Which just goes to show us that you have to focus on what's really important.
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polytarp
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response 49 of 241:
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Aug 2 20:43 UTC 2003 |
You would say that, you fag.
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dcat
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response 50 of 241:
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Aug 4 21:51 UTC 2003 |
New York Times also had an editorial on the subject Sunday:
The needs of gay teenagers can best be served by making sure that they, like
all New York students, are able to attend regular public high schools in
safety, free from bullying. Organizers maintain they would be happy to see
applications from any student who wants to attend Harvey Milk, whatever his
or her sexual orientation, but the school's stated mission needs to reflect
that, in the same way that other small "boutique" schools around the city draw
students interested in particular careers, course work or unique learning
environments.
A school like Harvey Milk could also serve as a safe haven and short-term
solution for gay teenagers and others who are most traumatized by mistreatment
at their schools. In the long term, though, history has taught us the best
way to fight discrimination is to dismantle it where it occurs.
[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/opinion/03SUN2.html?th]
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richard
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response 51 of 241:
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Aug 4 23:18 UTC 2003 |
re: #48...lk, the harvey milk "school" has never been a full fledged
school before. What you refer to was a "program", which offered
classes/services to gay students who were technically enrolled elsewhere.
There is a huge difference between a part time program and a full fledged
full time public school, which is what this is being expanded into.
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klg
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response 52 of 241:
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Aug 5 02:17 UTC 2003 |
Such as who gets to be quarterback on the football team?
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kami
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response 53 of 241:
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Aug 5 22:02 UTC 2003 |
I find the idea delightful- imagine what would happen to homophobia, if
"straight" kids started trying to "pass" as gay to get in... And more, what
would happen to *their* homophobia, in the long run, after spending a lot
of time discovering that gay teens are teens first...
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gull
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response 54 of 241:
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Aug 13 01:26 UTC 2003 |
Re #29: "Isn't it the job of the teachers and principal to address
bullies and school harrassment?"
Since you have to ask that question, I assume you never went to a public
school. Teachers and the administration turn a blind eye to harassment
because it helps them beat down the kids who are showing signs of being
different.
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